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    01-31-2010, 01:33 AM
  #1
Green Broke
How's His Head Carriage/Form

Hey,
So this is from riding yesterday, and I was wondering what you guys thought of Chinga’s form. Please do not critique me. His an ex-racer who could never carry himself, so this is for sure an improvement, he use to have to wear a martingale as he’d put his head so high I’d lose control and wouldn’t accept contact. Sorry I only got shots of him on one rein.
Thank – you.








     
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    01-31-2010, 01:40 AM
  #2
Yearling
He's so much better than what he was. :) I will excuse your position too, because I know you haven't ridden in a while. I'd like to see your shoulders back though. Your hands are better than before, but those shoulders are dropped. Remember that although you are trying to get proper head carriage, your arms still need to be elastic.
     
    01-31-2010, 06:48 AM
  #3
Banned
Agree with Gidji.

He does look very different than the first photos I saw of him. The combination of some his gaining some weight and a rounder frame makes a dramatic difference. Good job on both.

Something odd has happened to your postion though - in all but the first photo your lower leg is out if front of you and your foot is more through the stirrup. You need to work on getting your leg back underneath and your stirrip on the ball of your foot. Asking for a rounder frame starts with *leg*, and your leg needs to be correctly positioned for you to use if effectively.
     
    01-31-2010, 07:19 PM
  #4
Weanling
He looks nice, but he looks a little heavy. I know you don't want a position critique, but your arms look stiff, which will cause a sort of 'tug-of-war.' Work on really getting that hind-end engaged, and you'll be one huge step closer!
Do you work with a trainer? Once you get to the point where you need to be able to ride 'back-to-front' you really want eyes on the ground. It's impossible to know whether you're doing it right unless someone is shouting "YES!" at you, haha! :)
     
    02-01-2010, 01:17 AM
  #5
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by dantexeventer    
He looks nice, but he looks a little heavy. I know you don't want a position critique, but your arms look stiff, which will cause a sort of 'tug-of-war.' Work on really getting that hind-end engaged, and you'll be one huge step closer!
Do you work with a trainer? Once you get to the point where you need to be able to ride 'back-to-front' you really want eyes on the ground. It's impossible to know whether you're doing it right unless someone is shouting "YES!" at you, haha! :)
I do, but not every day but over the holidays my instuctor took the holidays off and I have only just found my other trainer who I also ride with once/twice a week. My position really died that day and as I have said a few times, I was not happy with it.
     
    02-01-2010, 02:02 AM
  #6
Foal
He looks to be dragging you around, I hate it when this happens! But over all his head seems to be in a pretty good place. He looks like a fun ride.
     
    02-01-2010, 02:40 AM
  #7
Green Broke
Yeah, his a bit naughty though. Thanks all for your advice.
     
    02-01-2010, 03:31 AM
  #8
Trained
I mostly see a heavy horse with a light and fluffy backend. He looks just like Ricci! He looks like he's in a nice set up and that he's working, but in reality, he's just looking pretty with a pretty archy neck without using that hind end to really make anything happen. I'm sure he's improved tons, so I'm not trying to rub you the wrong way. Trust me, my mare is the SAME way, except probably heavier, lol. I'd try and work on lots of transitions and changes of directions with serpentines and circles and figure eights and all that fun stuff. Trot work is best, and most especially trot transitions. Your definitely on the right track with him! Also, try to loosen up your arms and don't let him convince you that you need to carry him. Let him drop on his face then pick him back, drop him on his face and pick him back up. And be super gentle with your aids when he's really driving through from behind. Don't get too caught up in the pretty presentation of his head carriage, if you have to do a few lessons with his nose kinda poking out or his head a little higher, so be it, as long as you're continually encouraging him to engage his hindquarters. Then his head will just fall into place. Good luck! =]
     
    02-01-2010, 03:48 AM
  #9
Green Broke
Thanks! I'll really try to ask him next time I ride! All your imformation has been excellent thanks guys.
     
    02-01-2010, 04:06 AM
  #10
Trained
He does look better than photos you have posted previously. However he does look very much on the forehand. I'd actually prefer to see him with his head up and his hind legs active and tracking up than with his head down boring down on the reins with a 'pretty' head set.
You really do need to think about getting his hind end active. He may be naughty, but if you wanted to get an ottb then you should be experienced enough to deal with the behaviour issues that come along with it. You want him totally tuned into your aids. Then you can start worrying about his 'frame'. If you put your leg on, you want an immediate reaction every time. If you touch your reins and ask him to slow/halt, again, you want an immediate reaction. If he does not stop and go immediately on cue, go back to basics and get those reactions installed. Ottb's are dangerous when they do not have stop and go.
See how in those photos your foot is at his shoulder? Your leg has absolutely no influence what so ever in that position. There is no way you can ask his hind legs to come up and drive. Really concentrate on getting those legs on or behind the girth even. You will have so much more influence over his hind legs and I can guarantee that you will notice the difference immediately. It doesnt help that you are in a GP/jumping saddle, they put you in a slight chair seat but you should still have your legs back further than that.

From stop and go, you can start doing transitions. MILLIONS of them every single ride. Transitions transitions transitions. Transitions are you best friend. They are a miracle cure! Focus on keeping him forward and active in both the upwards and downwards transitions. Do not think of downward transitions as 'backwards' they are actually very forward movements. Put you leg on through them, and don't allow him to bear down on the reins.

Every time he leans on your hands, throw your reins at him and kick him, make him get up and carry himself. He'll learn that it's easier to use his back legs than to lean on your hands.

I know you don't want your position commented on, but it really does need to be addressed. Don't get your back up please, but I havnt seen one photo in which I've liked your position. You REALLY need to work on it. If you can, get some lessons on the lunge on a quiet school horse. No stirrups and no reins in particular as you appear to rely heavily on your reins for balance. You cannot expect your horse to improve his own balance and carriage, when you are way out of balance and making his job even harder. To train an ottb, you MUST have a very good, solid balanced position. You must give the horse confidence through your own seat, if he feels you off balance, unless he is a balance and rythem machine, he will struggle.
     

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