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post #11 of 14 Old 01-02-2014, 07:53 PM
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A picture from George Morris's book:



I don't jump, so my forward seat riding has all been on the flat. Concerning lower leg: books from the 30s-60s tend to have the toe pointed out around 30 deg. Chamberlin recommended 15-45 deg out. For Hunt Seat Equitation, George Morris had it around 10 deg out, IIRC, but I guess he doesn't mind larger if it works for you ( http://www.amazon.com/American-Jumping-Doubleday-Equestrian-Library/dp/0385410824/ref=la_B001JP4RKO_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1388706453&sr=1-4 ):



Given the too large boots you were wearing, it would be tough to guess how your calf was against the horse. If the contact was with the back of the calf, that is wrong - too wobbly. FWIW, my favorite book on the forward seat is Chamberlin's:

http://www.amazon.com/Riding-Schooling-Horses-Harry-Chamberlin/dp/1163173290/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1384010134&sr=8-1&keywords=riding+and+schooling+horses
However, some of the things he recommended are now frowned upon, like riding with the stirrup in the home position. I do it, but I seem to specialize in doing things that are frowned upon...

"Make the right thing easy and the wrong thing...well, ignore it mostly."
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A picture from George Morris's book:



I don't jump, so my forward seat riding has all been on the flat. Concerning lower leg: books from the 30s-60s tend to have the toe pointed out around 30 deg. Chamberlin recommended 15-45 deg out. For Hunt Seat Equitation, George Morris had it around 10 deg out, IIRC, but I guess he doesn't mind larger if it works for you ( The American Jumping Style (Doubleday Equestrian Library): George H. Morris: 9780385410823: Amazon.com: Books ):



Given the too large boots you were wearing, it would be tough to guess how your calf was against the horse. If the contact was with the back of the calf, that is wrong - too wobbly. FWIW, my favorite book on the forward seat is Chamberlin's:

Riding And Schooling Horses: Harry D. Chamberlin, John Cudahy, Edwin M. Sumner: 9781163173299: Amazon.com: Books

However, some of the things he recommended are now frowned upon, like riding with the stirrup in the home position. I do it, but I seem to specialize in doing things that are frowned upon...

bsms - there is a picture of that same woman in George's book when she is in a half seat. Do you have that picture available for posting?

The second picture you posted, while the rider is in a beautiful position, the rider is not in a half seat/two point, because as the caption says, his seat is deep in the saddle. In a half seat/two point position, the seat does not have contact with the saddle.

Two riders to watch videos of that ride in a forward half seat/two point are Eric Lamaze and Rich Fellers.
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jaydee- you are so anti-half seat/two point you do not even understand what it is. I'll let Bernie Traurig explain it to you.

Bernie Traurig: Part 10
I totally agree with Jaydee. In what way is she anti-half seat, BTW? I'm sure she has spent as much time in a half seat as some, here, have been in the saddle at all.

Bernie shows a half seat exactly like the one Jaydee posted. For a good balanced half seat, you need to have the inside of your leg on the horse, not the back of your leg.

The OP, in my opinion, is gripping too much with her knees. As a result, the lower leg has been pulled off the side of the horse. This is a very unstable position. She needs to shake that knee loose so that she can wrap that leg against the horse's barrel. Then, she needs to move her seat back a bit over the middle of the saddle. Then, she will have a balanced and much stronger position in the half seat. If the horse grinds to a halt, she will not fly over the horse's head....as easily.
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jaydee- you are so anti-half seat/two point you do not even understand what it is. I'll let Bernie Traurig explain it to you.
Why on earth do you think that I'm anti- half seat and two point?
I spent most of my childhood & teenage years, working with horses life and then leisure riding years fox hunting, showjumping, Cross country, Team Chasing, One day eventing, hunter trials and Working Hunter classes
There is no way I could have done any of those things - or got my BHS certificates without being able to ride in half seat and 2 point!!!
What I am against is the number of riders who think that they are riding in either but are in fact simply standing up in their stirrups or gripping hard with their knees because they aren't fit enough to correctly use their leg, thigh and core muscles and end up with a really weak ineffective seat and balance
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