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post #21 of 43 Old 10-21-2010, 12:36 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks for everyones advice. I am guessing no one is reading my other posts or watching my other video? All everyone seems to focus on is the fence, it is not an occuring matter, nor is it a training method that is used. If you would take the time to watch my other video Im sure you would see it as well.

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post #22 of 43 Old 10-21-2010, 04:17 PM Thread Starter
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Bump for critiques on my horse as a prospect, no training advice please.
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post #23 of 43 Old 10-21-2010, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by CinnamonBoots View Post
Thanks for everyones advice. I am guessing no one is reading my other posts or watching my other video? All everyone seems to focus on is the fence, it is not an occuring matter, nor is it a training method that is used. If you would take the time to watch my other video Im sure you would see it as well.
I didn't see it till half way through the arguments on training methods. I'm actually very familiar with what they're doing in the first vid... I've seen tons of trainers use the arena fence to teach a horse who takes off afterwards or dives a direction not to.

Anyways... on to the horse. =) I like him. He looks like he's enjoying his job, and is showing some good form. He's pretty square in the knees so he may be able to go hunters. He looks like he's getting a good start.
Love the crutches shot.

You obviously picked this trainer for a reason, and you're seeing improvements. The horse doesn't seem unhappy either. Best of luck to you both.
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post #24 of 43 Old 10-21-2010, 07:31 PM
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I absolutely love this horse, especially as a jumper prospect. He clearly enjoys jumping and he's nice and tidy with his front end. Good luck to the both of you!

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post #25 of 43 Old 10-21-2010, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by CinnamonBoots View Post

As for the outdoor arena fence which I am assuming is what you are referring to when you say "stopping" at the fence. When you trot a crossrail you are always suppose to stop straight after it, at least thats what I was always taught when training a green horse. Turn around, repeat. There are many different exercising that we do with Jazz, and after seeing my trainers finished horses there is no doubt in my mind that he doesn't know what he is doing. Right now I ride his personal horses while my horse is in training and I have never once had a refusal, not one, and he trained them all.
I feel the need to comment on stopping at the fence. I understand this method and I understand why you would want to use it, however it is being used incorrectly. She is not actually stopping him at the fence, just attempting to. The horse doesn't halt. For this to be an effective training method the horse needs to halt straight and stand there for a few seconds, not be allowed to turn as soon as he gets there and not even actually stop. It looks like the rider is doing more to confuse the horse. Continuing training him incorrectly like that will train him to stop and run out of jumps.

That being said he himself seems like he is going to make a great local show horse. He has decent form over fences, he has a nice rhythmic canter for the short period of time we get to see it. He'll turn out to be a nice horse.
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post #26 of 43 Old 10-21-2010, 10:38 PM Thread Starter
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No one is using the fence as a stopping/training method. We never do that and that is not me riding :). I am the one videoing and as you can see on crutches :(. Actually I'm noy quite sure why he stopped so close to the fence, I have several videos from that day and that is the only video of him stopping at the fence, so in no way are we "teaching" him that. I'm sure some of you have videos of being bucked off, lol, but that doesn't necessecarily mean you "made" him do that, so just to clarify no one did that purposefully. He is a young horse things happen. I have been through my fair share of horrible horrible trainers, and it took me a long time to find this one! Word of mouth, in my opinion, is the best way to find someone, and of course that little tool called google :). Love love love loveeeee my trainer! And I love the fact that I can be proud to mention his name in a group full of horse people and there is not one negative thing they have to mention :). Unlike my old trainer, now that's another story :(, she almost ruined my horse, idiot. Anyways, its great to hear all of the positive feedback on my man I bought him without the help of a trainer and am very proud of him and I. Now only if I could get this darn cast off and ride him! :(
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post #27 of 43 Old 10-22-2010, 12:49 PM
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It shouldn't be "him stopping" it should be the rider asking. Whoever is in control needs to ask him to hault. It doesn't look like the rider is asking him to stop at the fence, it looks like they are not driving after the jump. Therefore the horse is running in a straight line and then, well, when he hits the fence obviously he has to turn!

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post #28 of 43 Old 10-22-2010, 08:23 PM
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I think he is a GREAT prospect! For an OTTB he sure is calm over fences! My 13y.o. OTTB isn't even as calm as that haha!
Seems very talented, and it's hard to tell since there aren't any full courses, but I think he would do well in both hunters and jumpers :) (But jumpers in particular, as he seems like he will be pretty scopey!)
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post #29 of 43 Old 10-23-2010, 03:50 PM
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Well, i think you could
1. get some better video shots and
2. get some more action videos

and then you can upload them for critique. Or else, it's a little bit unfair for anyone to critiquing that. Unfair for your trainer and your choice, since you believe he is doing well and unfair for the others, since it seems that there is not a holistic picture of the training. That (1&2) would help you avoid a lot of explanations, right? :)
And one more thing. Why do you bother for critique? I mean, you have your horse, you have your trainer chosen after research, you are there everyday, checking him working on your horse, you are riding his work (horses) and you see the progress. Whatever we see is just few seconds from all this.
Suppose that everyone was telling you that your horse doesn't worth a penny (which is not the case, i find him very good horse, strong and willing), would you accept it? No. Would you had seconds thoughts about him at night? No-again. So, don't take it personally, it's just people's opinions around here, sometimes focusing more on the techniques and arguing between them, than actually being impolite to you.

I believe that everyone here wants the best for your horse. After all, the critique you got for him, was really positive, right? :)

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post #30 of 43 Old 10-24-2010, 09:52 PM
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Um, wow. There sure is a lot of discussion on the merits or downfalls of halting a horse after a fence for a horse critique....

Anyways, I see a jumper not a hunter. He might be ok on a lower level local type show circuit if he can get his changes and stay on a rhythm but he doesn't have a great trot or long/low type of movement you want in a hunter. Fortunately his canter is ok... but an ok canter will only get you so far in the hunter ring! Seems pretty quiet through the grid. It's hard to tell how scopey he is since he's not trying too hard over the fences at this height but for the level of training he's at I wouldn't want him over jumping anything.
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