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post #11 of 33 Old 10-11-2011, 03:17 PM
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I've seen what jumping too high, too early can do to a horse, ErikaLynn. I OWNED a horse that had that happen to him. His owners started him over 2-foot fences as a three-year-old. They did the same thing you're doing: showed him over the summer (but with one schooling session during the week in between shows, which were once a month). As a six-year-old (when I started working with him), he had such severe arthritic changes in his hocks that you had to warm him up at a trot for a good 15 minutes before really lunging him. In the winter, you had to warm him up at a walk and trot for almost thirty minutes before really lunging or working him or else he could barely walk afterward. He's now a nine-year-old who is relegated to riding light trails sometimes once a week and his right hock has already fused due to the arthritis, which a vet has confirmed was because he started jumping too early. This was a horse that LOVED jumping. If you had a crossrail set up in the arena, he wanted to go over it, arthritis be ****ed.

I'm not trying to preach at you. I'm just trying to show you that even though you may not think you're doing any damage to the horse, chances are that's exactly what you're doing.

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post #12 of 33 Old 10-11-2011, 03:27 PM Thread Starter
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I've seen what jumping too high, too early can do to a horse, ErikaLynn. I OWNED a horse that had that happen to him. His owners started him over 2-foot fences as a three-year-old. They did the same thing you're doing: showed him over the summer (but with one schooling session during the week in between shows, which were once a month). As a six-year-old (when I started working with him), he had such severe arthritic changes in his hocks that you had to warm him up at a trot for a good 15 minutes before really lunging him. In the winter, you had to warm him up at a walk and trot for almost thirty minutes before really lunging or working him or else he could barely walk afterward. He's now a nine-year-old who is relegated to riding light trails sometimes once a week and his right hock has already fused due to the arthritis, which a vet has confirmed was because he started jumping too early. This was a horse that LOVED jumping. If you had a crossrail set up in the arena, he wanted to go over it, arthritis be ****ed.

I'm not trying to preach at you. I'm just trying to show you that even though you may not think you're doing any damage to the horse, chances are that's exactly what you're doing.
I'm sorry to hear about your horse.
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post #13 of 33 Old 10-11-2011, 03:46 PM
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Methinks you either missed the point of what I was trying to get across to you (that your Bo will very well more than likely end up like my Dakota did if you keep pushing him) or you completely ignored it...and I'm really not sure which is worse.

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post #14 of 33 Old 10-11-2011, 03:47 PM
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Well...you did ask for a critique. I think everybody believes that this horse is talented. I know that you're looking for riding advice. I agree, also with the previous posts, although since the horse isn't your property there isn't much you CAN do about it. It will have to be for future reference unless you are able to buy him for yourself. I don't have any "this or that killed/damaged my horse" stories. I just know that TB's are bred with shelly feet and they don't have solid Arab legs, though they look that way. I'm sure that the owner is having you show him to get a sale. All of this jumping will tell their toll on his front legs. Ah well, you can take my comments with a shaker of salt, if you wish.
If I bought him, I would want to train him for a long, long career. I'd take him back to working over ground poles and super fine-tune him with groundwork and not seriously jump him again until he got to be about 5yo, and his bones were set. I'd probably set up some semi-permanent cross bars at my gates so that he'd have to jump them (sans rider) coming in from the pasture, and change the small jumps, for interest. I would ride him hours on end at a walk. People forget that a natural extended walk is one of the best ways to muscle up your horse without straining muscles and legs.
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post #15 of 33 Old 10-11-2011, 03:55 PM
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Even though the OP does not own this horse, she still thinks what she is doing is okay. She sees no problem in ruining this horse and setting him up for failure, that's what bothers me. If she realized what she is doing is not good for this horse at all, I wouldn't be jumping down her throat about it. But she doesn't, and clearly doesn't want any other opinion than "your horse is so pretty, blah blah blah."
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Thank you everyone. I do get what you guys are saying, but what if I just posted the pictures without the video? You would have no clue how old he was. And then it would be OK in your eyes to jump him.

My job is to "train" (I use that word loosely) get people looking at the horse and get them sold. It's a business. I do care about the horse and his well being, but I don't own these horses and everyone is trying to make a buck. That's just how it is...and I have to live with that.

I do it so I can have some ride time...I don't own a horse and can afford to own one. And if it wasn't for this opportunity I would not be riding at all.

I know everyone has an opinion, but I just wanted a riding critique not people telling me how wrong I am, and how I'm ruining this horse and how he's going to be a cripple in a couple years.
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Even though the OP does not own this horse, she still thinks what she is doing is okay. She sees no problem in ruining this horse and setting him up for failure, that's what bothers me. If she realized what she is doing is not good for this horse at all, I wouldn't be jumping down her throat about it. But she doesn't, and clearly doesn't want any other opinion than "your horse is so pretty, blah blah blah."
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You have a lot of nerve you really do. If I wanted to hear how pretty this horse was I would have posted this in the picture section. Not the critique section. Duh.
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post #18 of 33 Old 10-11-2011, 08:19 PM
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You have a lot of nerve you really do. If I wanted to hear how pretty this horse was I would have posted this in the picture section. Not the critique section. Duh.
Oh really? I have a lot of nerve telling you that YOU said "it's annoying when people act like there way is the best way. You might be right, but I think I'm right." I'm sorry but when the majority of the population agree with me, maybe it's time to re-evalute your "right way". Duh.

And it's funny that you posted this in critique, was perfectly fine with the comment of how lovely he is, how well he jumps, etc, but as soon as I give some negative feedback, you get very defensive. You were expecting everybody to gush over him and say how much potential he has, yet insulted me when I expressed my "not-so-desired" opinion. How mature of you...

And honestly you can tell how immature the horse is in the video. He is not physically mature enough to jump and it shows with his lack of coordination, lack of direction and "yearling look". Even without your 3 year old description, I would guess this horse to not be over 4. He really is a lovely horse and will be extremely cute when he grows up, and that's why I am so angry over the fact he will be ruined before he reaches his full potential.

But I'm pretty much done arguing with you. I can only hit my head against a brick wall so many times. :)


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Good then we can just agree to disagree. And no one said he was so lovely and had a nice jump. If you look at the picture his jump needs work. His legs are uneven and straight.

And yeah, you think you're right and I think I am. Who cares? Not everyone is going to agree with you. I wanted a critique of my riding and the horse. Not a lecture on how he is going to be a cripple soon. I'm glad you care so much for people you don't even know. It's sweet. :)
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post #20 of 33 Old 10-11-2011, 08:45 PM
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I just have to say, for the record, that OP- you DID post this in the critique section. So the horse is getting critiqued and there is no reason to be rude. I would suggest you ask for the post to be removed if you are unhappy with the responses you are getting.

All of us are (obviously) horse people and we all have varied levels of experience in different disciplines. For me, my specialty is eventing. I competed through the Intermediate level and know a thing or two about training horses (since that was the only way I could afford to ride and show- I know exactly what it's like to be in your shoes). We never started jumping a horse before they were 6 years old. Horses are simply not done growing and jumping can damage their joints and cause major problems down the road. Ask any (jumper) vet who specializes in performance horses. And since the barn where I worked/trained at was hell bent on producing quality eventing horses with a long, successful career ahead of them, we adhered to that rule religiously.

This horse is just not that great and I will attribute it to his age. He is gangly and unbalanced, cannot consistently find his distances, and is sloppy over fences. I do think that with time and some dressage work, he will have potential.

And yes, I also disagree with horse racing and the way they train their horses as well. Many OTTBs cannot be successful in jumping because of the stress that was put on their joints too early. This is no different.
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