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    10-16-2011, 12:33 AM
  #11
Trained
Horseproblems is amazing. John O'Leary (the man who runs it) is a great trainer and I have never met a horse mouthed using his method that was not incredibly soft and responsive.

Just sayin, there is a lot that HP can help with, and my goodness has it helped me with many many issues!
     
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    10-16-2011, 01:58 AM
  #12
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Originally Posted by blue eyed pony    
Horseproblems is amazing. John O'Leary (the man who runs it) is a great trainer and I have never met a horse mouthed using his method that was not incredibly soft and responsive.

Just sayin, there is a lot that HP can help with, and my goodness has it helped me with many many issues!
*shudder* *shudder* *shudder some more*
Enough said. He's a local to me, and yes, some good ideas, but I would not touch the man with a 40 foot barge pole.
     
    10-16-2011, 07:06 PM
  #13
Foal
Dangerous horse

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Originally Posted by Northern    
Pat is right, AND there are 4 different basic types of horses who say no in 4 different ways! (also taught by Pat): your bucking & backing horse is a classic Left-brain Introvert, which means he's always seeking to dominate, to have his way, & his slogan, if he could verbalize, is "MAKE me!" or "What's in it for ME?"

I highly recommend your getting the horsenality info on how to deal with this type, before you get hurt/killed, & a potentially great horse becomes unmanageable.

Please don't GET on, with him in his present condition! He needs the relationship with YOU as leader far more developed (can you say groundwork?) before you even think about getting on!

You'll learn in PNH horse psychology that no horse is being naughty, he's just got his horsenality. Please don't lay on him that it's naughty of him, if you're frustrated/angry, he'll see that you aren't therefore emotionally fit enough to be his leader!
Dear Lord. Horse'nality... one more way to make money off an unsuspecting public. Wrong in more ways than one but the main one being that this gal or others could easily be injured or killed. Parelli is the last thing you want to throw at someone with a dangerous horse, imo.

It's this simple. The horse is either:

In pain (that flares up on occasion an only presents when he is being worked- unlikely)
An a$$hole from bad training and being babied by people who are afraid of him
Or
A psycho with neurological problems.

I vote for one of the latter two or a combination of them both.

A few clips from an article by a trainer about Captain- a psycho horse she tried to work with:

3. Not all horses deserve to be saved.
When a horse is willing to injure himself in order to escape what he perceives as a bad situation, his rider will NEVER be safe.
If he has no regard for himself, you can bet you will never cross his mind in a high stress situation.

5. All horses deserve a chance.
I believe this with all my heart. I will never regret riding Captain. My regret comes from letting it go on too long. Unfortunately I was really fond of the stupid *******. I have notoriously bad taste in men too.

From mugwump chronicles: Captain

And one more note- in wild herds of horses (which live near me) you don't see the lead stallion being "emotionally understanding" to the herd members. You see him kicking, biting and knocking them around when they don't obey his lead. The stallions continually get 'frustrated and angry' and tend to do a lot of a$$ kicking.
I don't recommend being abusive- but you need to be ready to take your horse in hand with a few good whacks when absolutely necessary.
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    10-16-2011, 07:20 PM
  #14
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Originally Posted by Courtney    
....
... She put the horse on a lunge and used a second line to make a flank strap for the horse. Now, most horses are ticklish in this area and bucking demon was no different.......

Now, I don't recommend doing something like this because it seems absolutely cruel to me, but it cured a confirmed bucking case quite handily. If he had refused to stop bucking, they were going to send him to an auction and everyone knows where dangerous horses end up.
I do recommend doing just this. I have seen the method used and work as well on a horse on his way to a Mexico Slaughter house. Now which is more cruel? You tell me.
A strap around the belly as correction a few times or a trip on a cattle car to a nasty death?????
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    10-16-2011, 09:55 PM
  #15
Trained
I generally agree with Nevadarider. The only thing I would add is that while a stallion will physically dominate his herd, he rarely actually has to inflict physical action. Body language (ours and the horses'), once the dominance is established is a great communication tool and much safer than physical force. Besides, who can out-force an animal the size of even a pony?
     
    10-16-2011, 11:02 PM
  #16
Foal
I have a rescued Morgan mare named Twi.. she is 18 years old. She came to me almost 6 months ago now.. (I have owned horses for 40 years.. I have had 5 horses since I first started out. Our mare passed away in 2005 at 27 years old, my gelding is retired on a farm in Iowa due to some genetic health troubles, he is almost 22)..

More about Twi -
She has not bucked but she came to us in a bit of a tizzy, not frightened about much except hard heavy hands and a loud voice (man's...)

Plus she had long teeth.. had not been floated in a long time, the bit hurt her very much so.. 2 of the teeth were digging into her gums. OUCH!

Although her feet appeared to be ok by the former owner they were not right.. we also discovered immediately that she has a cataract in one eye and can barely see out of it!! The owner swears that my vet needs to talk to his "vet" but its not necessary. I could see it myself and that's why I had the vet look at it in the first place.. besides several other smaller issues that were not apparent to the untrained eye, this poor horse was going thru way too much!! The saddle and the bit that were being used did not fit the horse properly, thus causing pain and the subsequent desire to RUN away or at least run when anyone rode her... long story but we slowly changed everything!! Occassionally, the fear is still there so we have to just go slowly, talk to her, calm her, etc.. before we even think about riding her.. the moral of the "shortened" version of the experience is this.. go slow!! Start over. Start the horse as if he/she has never been ridden with or even worked with before.. our mare has come a long, long way and now even enjoys being worked with but its still a long road ahead of us. Six months of patience, time, love, understanding and more of same. Think of it this way - it took over 14 years for the horse to develop the negative responses to the human errors.. so give the horse plenty of time to redevelop trust.. Your horse may have a similiar fear as mine.. one you might not have thought about?? The fear of the rider "falling off".. It took me awhile to figure this out with Twi.. but that is one of the problems!! Someone fell off this horse frequently and the horse fears it!! The horse will do everything and anything to keep you on once your on, but would rather you didn't get on in the first place because the horse associates that with pain.. See the conflict?? Eliminate the fear as best as you can. Develop the trust first and then watch the horse melt in your hands. Literally.. This is so rewarding and I hope this helps you a bit!!
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