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post #1 of 41 Old 11-15-2013, 02:45 PM Thread Starter
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I think I deserve a bit of credit for this one...

I think that my dads team roping horse is too darn nice to sit in the pasture an get fat, so I started riding her a bit more often and she has this problem...

She was never really taught to accept a bit. If you take up contact at all, she throws her head like CRAZY. She HATES IT.

So, silly me, I'm like: Challenge accepted.


Today is the first ride I really worked on getting her to figure out that contact is not the end of the world and isnt going to kill her.

It was quite the ride for both of us.
If you have been following my English riding at all - you will know that my English seat isnt that solid, and needs lots of work.

You will see in the video that over the course of the ride, she accepted contact A LOT more.

And I am also VERY proud of myself for not completely loosing my seat when she would fling her entire front end around like a monkey. I'm just happy with how I rode her today, and managed to be independent enough in my seat to actually get some positive results from this horse.

The video isnt the greatest quality, btw.

Side note - I am aware my diagonals were inconsistent. XD

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post #2 of 41 Old 11-15-2013, 05:24 PM
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niceeeee! good work with him. that's a really hard situation to fix
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Not bad at all! Use a bit more calf pressure (get your legs as far back as possible for this) when you pick up on her, and release it all the nano second she responds, you will get excellent results with this. Anyways I am insanely jealous that you have no snow, we got close to 1/2 a foot today!!!
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post #4 of 41 Old 11-15-2013, 06:48 PM Thread Starter
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^^ don't be jealous. Its a full on blizzard here right now.

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post #5 of 41 Old 11-15-2013, 10:32 PM
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good job! it's great how you challenge yourself and pat yourself on the back when you meet the challenge well. Bravo!
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post #6 of 41 Old 11-16-2013, 10:39 AM
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OK, I started to watch the video and I got to just over 2 minutes when I quit, I'm really sorry, but I'm not able to give a lot of credit, not at the moment.

I have a bunch of questions right now, and I really apologize that I don't have the time to craft them into a beautiful paragraph, so I'm going to just list them. I'm aware that by writing like that it is going to sound very blunt, please accept that this is due to time constraints, I do usually try not to sound like the Spanish Inquisition.

1) If she is a really good roping horse, to good to sit, why are you riding her English?

2)If she is a western broke horse that doesn't like contact, why are you riding her English?

3) If you are having issues at the walk, why do you feel that it is OK to go to the trot and then canter? Fix everything at the walk, then trot, fix the trot then canter.

4) If you are aware that your seat needs work, why are you confusing this mare by trying to improve contact English, without a solid and secure seat you will not have the steady and forgiving hand that she needs.

5) How many English lessons have you had? It is not usually a good idea to try and break a bad habit by riding in a discipline that you ar not solid in yourself.

Again, sorry if I sound blunt, but I see little to be positive about at the moment.
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post #7 of 41 Old 11-16-2013, 10:43 AM Thread Starter
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The issue with this horse is that my dad bought her as a green 5 year old. And took her straight to the roping pen and went hard and heavy. He is very lucky she has a good mind and didnt blow up. He took his 4yo roping and assumed training her would be just a walk in the park. He ruined the horse and every time he stands up to throw his rope, she bucks.
His training methods are crude and basically go like this: A good "yank" and a good "shank" with a spur will solve anything. So basically, this horse throws her head or flicks her nose and gets yanked on. Which is why it has gotten to this point.

Back to this horse, the ONLY time she gets rode is to go roping, which over the summer, was once a week. We dont rope during the winter.

I personally dont see the crime in riding this horse (which is a saint) and getting her to realize that the bit is just there and isnt going to hurt her. Which in turn, would help with the head throwing and save her many undeserved yanks on the face. I have rode her before in a snaffle and she works just fine with one, if you stay far far away from her face. Which is great. But I see the head tossing/throwing issue as something to be dealt with a bit, and getting her to accept bit pressure without flipping out seems to be a good way to go.

Any why I am riding her English - Because I need to spend more time in my English saddle to get better. And actually, my seat was pretty darn good.

I would love for you to go back to the video and skip ahead to 2:57.

At that point, to the end of the video, that is what I am proud of.

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post #8 of 41 Old 11-16-2013, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by QHriderKE View Post
Any why I am riding her English - Because I need to spend more time in my English saddle to get better. And actually, my seat was pretty darn good.
Actually it isn't 'pretty darn good' and you needing to spend time in an English saddle to get better is the very reason why you shouldn't be trying to fix her issues.

Look I know that you don't want to hear this, but knowing your limitations and abilities is key.
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Sorry, I have to agree with Golden. Your seat was sloppy and hands were ALL over the place. I KNOW you are a better rider then that, I've seen it. She was throwing you around like a rag-doll up there and I don't think you really did her any good. Your lucky she has a good mind, I know horses that pitch people off for that.

And I completely agree that trotting and cantering her was not a good thing to do. If she won't handle contact at a walk, she most certainly won't going at a faster pace.

She's a western horse through and thought. Id leave it at that. If you ride her again, forget the contact and work on her issues in her normal equiptment without constant pressure on her mouth. She doesn't "get it".

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post #10 of 41 Old 11-16-2013, 02:44 PM
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Both horses that you are riding are not happy with you. They are both throwing their heads and in every aspect of their body are saying it clearly. GH and CLaP both see it too.

Heavy hands make a horse do the head tossing. Bad seat will do it too, especially when coupled by bad hands, which is what is going on in your videos. Even at a distance you can see your elbows are flopping and hands are jerking. And you do not have a good seat either.

As for waiting after the 2 minute mark? Why? You have tormented horse 2 minutes and are proud of that? May have been even longer for all we know, but horse may have just resigned itself to being tormented and given up. But you take it as evidence of your great training skills...and "riding through it" method of riding?

And even if a horse is not used to contact? Soft hands asking for contact will not result in the head tossing going on here, and in the squares video either for that matter. For both horses to do it, especially as badly as the horse you want credit for, tells me that you have incredibly bad hands, and have no clue at all about your skills.

And it is sad that you won't consider the horses in all of this, and what you are doing to both of them. They are plainly not happy with you and your riding mechanics.

And both of them show it clearly too.

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