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post #1 of 17 Old 05-25-2009, 12:02 AM Thread Starter
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Indy at liberty

Hey guys,

I was looking around for some pictures of Indy's hooves for my other thread in Horse Health when I found these pics of him free jumping. What do you think? I bought him as a jumper prospect (maybe 3 day eventing) but have not yet made the switch to English with him. Some of you may have read about the many training issues I have had with him but he is coming along and I am hoping to upload pics and videos of me riding him tomorrow.

Anyway, what do you think? The shortest jump is about a foot. The highest jump in these pics is about two and a half. The highest he has done and cleared with inches to spare is about 3 1/2, maybe a little bit closer to four feet. I forgot his boots this day so I didn't want to risk jumping him higher without them.

Things I noticed: His ears are forward in most of them, sometimes looks like his left front is a little bit lower then his right (but so far he has not knocked a jump with the fronts, the only time he has was with his back when he kind of hopped forward instead of over), and he over jumps a lot on the smaller jumps.

Not based on the pictures (when I watch him from the ground): He is learning to get his stride [learning to shorten and lengthen], when I count 3 2 1 he usually gets a better spot, he will go over most of the jumps without any encouragement from me, and from the ground it does not look like he over-jumps.

Also, I normally where

Let me know what you think! Thanks.

P.S. Normally when he jumps I have him wear boots on all four + bell boots on the front. The day I took these pictures I left them all at home after being washed. Do you think it's a good idea for him to have the boots on while jumping? I also use them when I know I am going to be going on a longer ride.

Alright here are the pictures.

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post #2 of 17 Old 05-25-2009, 12:13 AM
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Wow, talk about bascule over that fence in the last picture.

I love dapple greys - *twitterpated*
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MIEventer: I noticed the bascule in the last picture as well. Honestly I have not ridden a horse that has such a pronounced bascule as that. I have heard that it can "pop" the rider out of the tack. Seeing as he does not have that form over every single jump, how would I prepare myself as a rider for him to jump like that? I am thinking as of now that

A) I need to make absolute certain that I stay over his center of gravity and fairly close to his body/neck

and B) AUTO RELEASE so I don't catch him in the mouth. It seems that getting a line straight from his mouth to my arm would be rather hard with his head in such a position but I do not think I would want my hands on his mane unless I loosened up a ton and was grabbing his mane.

What do you think?

I am very excited to start him over fences this summer (with a rider) :]

*When I was "horse hunting" I told myself no way would I buy a grey horse. Look what I ended up with... Haha
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post #4 of 17 Old 05-25-2009, 05:48 AM
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He's a beautiful horse, nice colour too. I noticed the comment that he doesn't bascule as much over every jump, this could come from inexperience as a lot of young horses (mine included) overjumped until they were more comfortable with jumping. So you might find that this decreases over time to a more "average" clearance of the jump, (for lack of a better word)
Can't wait for more pictures as you do more with him :)

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Definitely the more jumping he does the better he'll get at judging how much clearance he has to give.

However, he's absolutely gorgeous and looks like he loves it! I adore dapple greys!

~CoCo 17hh 4 yo OTTB~
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He is gorgeous and really puts alot of effort to it, in the future with training I think he will be one of those horses that needs a belly gaurd. Because he is green he should always have all his protection gear on. Just to be safe.

He has bascule, and I rode a horse with tons of scope such as this horse, they actually make for great rides, and great jumpers, and the longer you bond with them, the less diffucult they become to jump. A good rider will be able to handle this.

he is gorgeous.

Good luck :]
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Lifeofriley: Thank you very much! I will of course be posting more and more pics as his training progresses (as soon as his hoof issue gets cleared up of course!). I was flipping through my moms camera and found some more pictures of him jumping that I will post now.

AussieDaisyGirl: Thank you! I am glad he looks like he enjoys it because I would not want to push him to do it if he did not. I measured him today and got about 17 - 17.1hh. When I first got him he was near 15 and I thought he would make a good jumper prospect then. Is it possible that he just takes those heights because of how tall he is?

SilentBravery09: Thank you! Just out of curiosity why do you think he will be one of those horses that needs a belly guard? What gives you clues to that? I was thinking about getting one because I do remember one time when he plowed straight through one of the higher poles instead of jumping it. I always make sure the poles can fall extremely easily (which has caused a tiny bit of a problem when there is ANY wind whatsoever ). I agree that he should always have all of his protective gear on, it was a mistake for him not to be wearing it. Fortunately he was not injured during this session. I noticed in the pictures I found today that he only has the front boots and bell boots on. What is the bare minimum of protection you think I should have him wear? His four boots, bell boots, and a belly guard? Thank you for all the help, I appreciate it!!

Here are the other pictures I found:

And here is one just for fun, he looks like a huge teddy bear!

Any more critique on his form over fences? I have also tried bounces and triples with him. I will try and get a video once his feet are cleared up. He seems to enjoy it!
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Beautiful boy, he seems to really love to jump. It takes me an hour just to get my nine year old to consider a jump.

Wait! I'll fix it....
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He seems like he needs a belly gaurd because how close he brings his legs up underneath him. I know they protect the horses underneath from cutting themselves with their hooves when jumping, or preventive measures like what you mentioned.

As for his protection, it depends on how your horse moves. If he over steps, or steps on himself, then he should wear bell boots, and in my opinion they should always have boots on, just to protect those precious legs of theirs.

It is really up to you. Each owner knows their horse and their horses limits.

It doesnt do any harm to take extra precautions and wrap the legs and put bell boots on while lounging.

However other horses dont need the bell boots and find them annoying and kick out with them all.

What breed is he? And How Old? I am insanely jealous.
So it really depends.

He is really gorgeous. I think he has Jumper written all over him.
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twogeldings: Thank you! Do you ride your horse when you try to jump or have him at liberty?

SilentBravery09: I feel pretty dumb right now. I thought you meant a chest guard, like in case he goes straight through the jump. I definitely agree that he may need a belly guard in case he kicks himself there. Kind of frightening to think that he may tuck his legs up that much. Haha. Would something like that hinder his jumping? I mean, kicking himself there.

He does overstep so I usually have bell boots on, even when just plodding around. As for regular boots, I only use them for intense work. When I first got him we used to play around barrels a ton and he ALWAYS wore them for that. Same thing when I take him in the round pen. I try to put them on as much as possible. I have heard though that they can do more harm then good. I don't know. If I know we are going to be doing something extra streneous I put them on. It's a bit strange but sometimes I find him to be calmer when he has boots on. Maybe because he isn't kicking himself... That sounds strange doesn't it

To be honest with you, I am not sure what breed he is. I bought him from people who bought him from a man who bought his mother at auction, turned her out on 170 acres and brought them in for the first time when he was about three years old. On his vet check papers from the sale before I bought him, it says QH but I am thinking he must have some TB in him or something. I have the old owners address so I was thinking of writing him a letter. I was also going to make a post under horse breeding to see if anyone had ever heard of him so I sent a message to the administrator to see if I could put someone's name online but I never heard back. I would be very interested in seeing what breed he is. What do you think he is?

Also, he is about 5 almost 6. If I do the math correctly it works out like this. When I bought him they said he was three and a half. They had him for about four or five months at that point. On the papers they gave me from when they bought him, he was listed as being three at the time of vet check, three months prior to when they bought him. That means he was actually about four when I finally brought him home in August 2007. That would mean he is somewhere around six right now. I really would like to contact the old owner and see what he has to say about the whole situation.

And thank you! I love him to bits.
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