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post #11 of 34 Old 03-10-2011, 06:42 PM Thread Starter
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Gemini - the overbending is explained in my 'essay'. The clinician was asking me to really bend him to the right as this is where he locks, so it was bend to the right, and push him forward at the same time, as Bob seems to think he can't go forward without bracing, and can't soften without slowing ;) I certainly don't always ride him like that! Again as I said - I usually ride him up and out rather than down and in :)


Thank you very very much Anebel!! You are spot on with my position, haha can you tell that my income comes from riding young and green horses! I haven't ridden anything over elementary in months, since I got really cracking on the youngsters. Will have to make an effort to book a few lessons on something more experienced again to get my upright and tidy position back.

As for inconsistently, these unfortunately aren't in sequence. The friend that took them just emailed a whole bunch through in no particular order. That's why there's some very bend to the inside and others a little more up and straight. We were moving his neck radically for the whole lesson, putting it up, putting it down, putting it to the right and then keeping him straighter to the left as he does not block so badly to the left. At home I will as the neck higher and lower through my session, to test if I can put it where I want, but as for lateral bend, I generally only ask at the poll, seeing if I can move the poll left, keep it there, straighten, then right, to test his suppleness and find any blocks there.
Probably not the best set of photo's to judge how I normally have a horse going because they're from a clinic that was significantly different to how I've been working him on my own.
I'll have to see if I can rustle up someone to grab some more photo's when I'm working him at home so you can see the difference.

Thank you!!
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post #12 of 34 Old 03-10-2011, 06:55 PM
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I am afraid I do not know much about Dressage position, but I hope I can still help you.

I think your arms need just a touch more bend in them.

Also, keep your heels down. I know that in Dressage this tends to not be a problem for reasons I can't remember, but I would still try to make it a habit- especially on a young horse.

Also, your leg position bothers me in several of these pictures. I'm not sure if this is because of your discipline, though.

I know you said you didn't want comments saying to look up, but I will just say to try and keep your chin up. If you have your chin up, most of the time your eyes will follow.
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Cinder thanks for your input however I think there's some cross discipline mix up going on.

Arms, in dressage we try to keep a straight line to the horse's mouth. If I bend my elbows more in some of those, I'd be riding like Heath Ryan with a broken contact to the bit. When the horse comes up into a higher frame, the elbows bend more as the hands come up to maintain that line through to the bit.

Heels, they are down ;) We don't ride like hunters or other disciplines that JAM the heel down. In dressage, the heel should be the lower point, but not by a huge amount. If you're jamming the heel down it pushes the lower leg forward and the joints of your leg brace which reduces the shock absorber effect of the leg and ankle in dressage.

Leg position, don't really know what you're seeing - can you please elaborate? I have always been told I've got a really solid, stable and correct leg position for my sport. I am however, riding a touch shorter than what I would on a more educated horse, just because it gives a little more stability on a horse that you know can really go to town ;)
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Everybody else already covered the obvious. I just wanted to point out how much your position exactly mimics what his position is doing in pics 2, 3 & 4. It's really a fascinating sequence. Just open those shoulders up. Like my instructor once told me, open your cabinet and show the girls off!

You just have to see your distance...you don't have to like it.
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Haha thankyou MBP, yeah I'm a bugger with my shoulders, as Anebel said it's quite a defensive riding position from riding green horses. Bob is not so good over the back yet and his canter is also quite jarring as he's not terribly balanced and I have to work quite hard to stop him from changing behind - a 'lovely' habit of his which is a bugger of a thing to break! So my position is certainly not what it would be on something more educated.
I'll have to see if I can get some photo's of me on my trainer's FEI horse, it's interesting to compare your position between two very different horses. On the more experienced horse I don't usually have a problem with my upper body, I sit upright and have excellent control of my core to control collection.
Unfortunately this goes out the window on the green ones!!
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From what you've said about this horse's past, you're doing fantastic with him. Hell, if you put me on that horse, I'd probably be first in fetal position and ultimately with me face in the dirt!

You just have to see your distance...you don't have to like it.
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Haha no he's not that bad!!! Just quite tricky. The clinician I went to said the same thing, that he was quite a 'tricky' little horse. I think most people doubted that I'd be able to do anything with him, considering one of of top FEI riders owns him and can't get anything out of him!
He can put in a few nice bucks and his evasion method to get away from contact is to stop, jack, then run flat out backwards and threaten to stand up. He's a very 'wobbly' horse and likes to find any gaps in your riding to get out of working. Quarters will swing left, so you 'plug that hole', then quarters will swing right, so you fix that, then shoulder will drop to the inside, then other shoulder will bulge to the outside, then chin is on the chest, then back up in the air, then opens his mouth, shakes his head.... little snot knows every evasion method under the sun so is really testing my riding ability!!! But I still love him :P
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Wow you are lucky he is pretty. I have always wanted a warmblood but there so expensive.
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He is sure a looker. I really like him...you are a great rider
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haha thankyou ladybugs, thankfully I haven't brought him yet, I've just got him on lease as his owner can't ride him so he would be otherwise sitting out in the paddock.
Warmbloods are nice horses, but they're not the equine 'dreamboat' that some people seem to think they are, definitely not easy to until you get really used to them and their quirks.
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