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post #21 of 34 Old 03-10-2011, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Kayty View Post

Leg position, don't really know what you're seeing - can you please elaborate? I have always been told I've got a really solid, stable and correct leg position for my sport. I am however, riding a touch shorter than what I would on a more educated horse, just because it gives a little more stability on a horse that you know can really go to town ;)
Actually your leg position is how I picture what I want mine to be like! Solid and at the right place. Coming from a hunt seat background I tend to try pull my leg back too far. Grrr.

I really have nothing else substantive to add. I think you guys look great! Cant wait for more pictures as you progress!
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post #22 of 34 Old 03-11-2011, 01:27 PM
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Firstly Hi, Im new to this forum and have found it as I was googling 'horse drawing tongue back' and it brought me to your post. I wondered if you could let me know how you stopped him doing this? Ive owned my horse 8 yrs now, compete at dressage and this 'issue' is causing us no end of problems. Mainly not being able to truely have a proper contact or get him working properly between hand and leg. Id really appreciate your advice.
Love your photos, he looks lovely.
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Louby, my boy has been the same. Since he was broken he apparently was extremely fussy in the mouth and drew his tongue back.
I ride him in a cavesson and flash attachment, and because the habit is so excessive when he gets stressed (when he's calmly working at home he's not too bad now, but as soon as he's put under pressure the mouth starts going!) it is proving tremendously difficult to break.
This particular clinician has taken a rather more forceful method of breaking the habit, one which I probably would not do on my own. But he has asked me to ride him with the cavesson tightened to the point where Bob cannot open his mouth at all, he can chew, but not open it.
The first day of having his noseband this tight he was not impressed and carried on like a pork chop! But the second day he settled right down and I could feel an enormous difference in my ability to maintain a steady contact and get a connection.
So we are thinking that we'll work him in a fairly tight noseband for a couple of weeks and then loosen it again to see if he'll get back into his mouth issues or not.
If not, then the next plan is to see what he does in a hanging cheek snaffle to try and stablise the bit in his mouth a little more. He is currently in a loose ring french link that is fairly thick, so it would not be sitting fixed in his mouth and possibly adding to his fussyness.
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Thanks Kayty. Sorry for jumping in on your post and changing the subject . My boys the same. Ive tried a flash and a drop noseband but he ends up rubbed as his mouth is that active so I end up taking it off after a couple of days. The drop seems better for him though. I dont think I could get the flash much tighter as Ive tried that too , so Im trying a loose cavesson at the moment but it isnt working. He does feel so much better with the flash on even though hes still doing it.
I have tried a hanging cheek too and it does help but it seems to lack 'the feeling' of a loose ring and he often feels a bit 'dead', if you know what I mean. He is currently in a thinner KK Ultra as he has a fleshy mouth.
Id love to know how you get on, so I will keep watching. Please let us know how you get on.
Thanks again
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Not worried at all about you jumping into the thread ;)
You can get a piece of rubber that fits around the bottom of your cavesson to stop it rubbing, that seems to have worked for Bob. Not sure where you're located but I got mine through the Anky saddlery range.

I'll certainly let you know how he goes with it. I have found that he improved dramatically once I started really focussing on getting him working behind and into the bridle. His owner always rode him in draw reins and was quite heavy handed, so being light and elastic in the hand has certainly helped to an extent.
But other than that, will have to keep chipping away and trying new things until we find something that works.
It's great to hear that I'm not the only one trying to deal with this problem, it drives me insane!!
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post #26 of 34 Old 03-12-2011, 01:37 AM
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You are a beautiful rider and you and Bob make such a great team.

I am immensely jealous.

*stomps off*

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Hahahahaha Eliz :P Oh this is slight deja vu from a certain dressage thread!! But thankyou!
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post #28 of 34 Old 03-12-2011, 08:31 AM
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Thanks for that Kayty, I will have a look now. Im based in the UK.
His flash strap rubs the sides of his lips under the bit too, so I feel mean .
Ive been working on getting him off my leg but at the moment it results in him speeding up in a pony stride fashion but Im sure we will get there. It seems one step forward and 20 back at the moment. Ive never been able to find any one who is having the same problem so I was when I found this.
I did however find an interesting theory the other night. Hope this works
[IceHorses] Tongue Over The Bit / Nosebands
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post #29 of 34 Old 03-12-2011, 09:05 AM
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Kayty....I wish I was as a lovely rider as you are, but that is not the case... *pout*

The only thing that I can really see is that your hands never seem to be in the same position. Sometimes they are more flat, then go more towards thumb on top, and everything in between.

Someone already mentioned it, but I also saw the shoulder dropping and scrunching.

But really.....I am definitely not at any level to give you a critique. LOL.

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post #30 of 34 Old 03-12-2011, 05:24 PM Thread Starter
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Can you get a softer/more padded flash strap for him? That might help, mines really soft leather so haven't had a problem with it rubbing, yet!
I'll have a look at that link when I get a chance, thank you!

Velvets, cheers :) As for my hands - I think I said in another post somewhere, I was being asked to do all sorts by the clinician, so hands where a bit all over the place. I'm usually good with my hands they where they're meant too :)

Was meant to be competing today but my bloody car broke down half way there at 7am, not happy! So will have to get photo's next time, will be a bit easier to critique when I'm riding normally not with a clinician ;)

In the meantime (and louby this might help you??), I'll be doing a heap of in hand work with him on the lunge and in long reins. I did a session with him last night and it seemed to do some very good things for his mouth, as well as getting his confidence to be able to 'sit', so hopefully that will start to transfer to under saddle work.
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