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    01-25-2009, 04:58 PM
  #1
Yearling
Joe The Mule! (IMG heavy and video)

So this is sorta kinda a critique. I went to visit Joe and there were things that I liked and things that I REALLY didn't like. Joe himself is just the biggest sweetheart! He lives to be petted and even rested his head against me a few times and he just met me! He needs quite a bit of work. He's never trotted before, and wont stand for mounting. He's only juust turning 4 so none of it is much of a surprise. What I didn't like was their methods of training him. In order to mount him, they twitch him. This REALLY pisses me off. He's only 4 years old and in my opinion, that's just a sloppy fast way to get results. They also use some sort of metal bosal with pressure points on it. I can't remember what they called it but it started with a "C" I think? Anyway, they mentioned that using it will cut them and rub the hair off their face. They used it on their mare when they wanted to train her to load in the trailer. I guess she used to try to run so they tied her to the trailer using a lunge line and the metal bosal and when she took off to run, she would hit the end of the line and snap back. Personally I think that's a good way to permanently fudge up their nose and another sloppy way to get fast results. If you look very very closely at Joes face you can see little cuts on him from the bosal.
They want $1000 for him which, even though he's stunning and has decent ground manners, its out of my price range. Especially for a horse that has to be twitched to mount, can't go past a walk, and is only just turning 4 that isn't registered. Oh, did I mention that he wont walk with a halter? They have to use a bridle if they want to taken him anywhere.

Another HUGE thing that bugged me was Cathy. She is one of their friends that is riding him in the pictures (Not the owner). They must have mentioned at least 10 times how they have such a great bond and how he was "her horse". I had to bite my tongue from asking why the hell she just didn't purchase him or why they didnt just give him to her. ARGH

Here are some pictures of him and his video. Let me know what you think of him.












     
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    01-25-2009, 05:02 PM
  #2
Yearling
Videos to come as soon as they load up.
     
    01-25-2009, 05:19 PM
  #3
Foal
I don't know what the going prices of mules are, but if they have to use those methods then either Joe is or was badly behaved and you didn't see it, or they are hopeless trainers and then you don't know what has been done to him.

He's a nice mule, and if you want him and are willing to do work with him he might turn out fine. But it might be a fair bit of work.

The owners sound really not great.
     
    01-25-2009, 06:28 PM
  #4
Weanling
Lucara, Joe looks like a very nice mule. He's got nice conformation and he sounds friendly from your description. But I would not suggest you get him. You still consider yourself a beginner rider, right? If that's the case then Joe is not the right horse for you. Don't let his sweet personality cause you to make a decision you may regret later. It sounds like he has some serious training issues. That is not the kind of animal you need to get for your second horse. For that price you can get a much better trained horse.

Please take my word for it. My first horse was overpriced and undertrained, but he was beautiful and I fell in love with him. Though I have fond memories of him, he WAS NOT a good choice for my first horse. I learned a lot from him, but if I could go back and do things differently I would (Don't get me wrong, I really did love him). Stick with it, you'll find that perfect horse sooner than you think. Don't settle for something that's not perfect for you. Joe will find a good home somewhere else, he is a fine looking mule.

Good luck,

Jubilee
     
    01-25-2009, 06:36 PM
  #5
Yearling
I agree with what everyone is saying. I'm going to have my instructor look over the videos and get her opinion on it as well. I'm going to keep looking because I doubt the people will drop his price as low as I want anyway.

Here are 2 videos that I took. The first is just of me leading him around and the second is of him being twitched and ridden by Cathy.


     
    01-25-2009, 06:48 PM
  #6
Super Moderator
I'm glad you're going to keep looking... =)
He's really nice looking guy and he looks like he wants to do the right thing really badly but it's going to take someone a long time to undo some of the stuff those people have done to him.

My other question is why are they riding him in a curb, even a short shanked one, when he is only 4, 3 really, and basically completely green? I'd be concerned to see what he's like being ridden when he's in a more appropriate bit... =/
     
    01-25-2009, 06:51 PM
  #7
Weanling
I have never seen anyone twitch their horse to mount. In my opinion that is a disaster waiting to happen. All that will teach him will to be tense and dread being mounted even more. They are simply being impatient. They are approaching his training all wrong. That bit he is wearing is called a Curb bit. In the right hands curb bits can be great tools, but they are meant to refine an already trained horse, not for training a youngster. They are also not meant to be used with constant pressure. Do you see how the lady is pulling on his mouth right at the beginning like that? Joe's mouth is gaped open. That is NOT how a curb bit is meant to be used. A curb bit works off leverage, meaning that the presure you put on the riens is multiplied in the horse's mouth. If you pull with two onces of pressure, it's going to feel like four or six onces of presure to the horse. The rider is using way too much presure on his mouth and it is causing him pain. He did calm down partway through, which is great. In the right hands I can tell he could be a great riding mule. But they are going about it all wrong.

Go ahead and let your instructor see the videos. But please, consider my warning. Don't get this mule. I love mules and they can be great riding animals, but I can forsee a lot of problems with this mule. Have you're instructor look at it and I'm sure she will say the same.

I'm just trying to look out for you. I've been in your shoes.

Jubilee
     
    01-25-2009, 06:57 PM
  #8
Yearling
Here is the last video of him being saddled (took a while to load).

     
    01-25-2009, 09:04 PM
  #9
Weanling
I think he looks like a nice mule, however for the price I wouldn't buy him. Obviously these people don't know what they are doing. If you want to offer them a lower price, then I say go for it, but don't pay what they are asking. When you call, I would offer and say considering what training he has had and how much training he's had you are willing to pay xxxx amount, but that's it. It also seems like people are saying you don't have experience with green horses. If this is the case, then I say try to find something with proper training. If you don't mind me asking, what are you looking for, where about are you, and how much are you looking to spend? I can always look around if you would like.
     
    01-25-2009, 09:10 PM
  #10
Yearling
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Originally Posted by pepperduck    
I think he looks like a nice mule, however for the price I wouldn't buy him. Obviously these people don't know what they are doing. If you want to offer them a lower price, then I say go for it, but don't pay what they are asking. When you call, I would offer and say considering what training he has had and how much training he's had you are willing to pay xxxx amount, but that's it. It also seems like people are saying you don't have experience with green horses. If this is the case, then I say try to find something with proper training. If you don't mind me asking, what are you looking for, where about are you, and how much are you looking to spend? I can always look around if you would like.
I don't. My riding instructor is going to show me how to train a horse. Its something that I am extremely interested in learning and Joe originally seemed like a good start since he was supposedly already started and doing well.

I have an add up in the classifieds if you want to check that out. It will answer everything that I am looking for. =)
     

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