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post #1 of 10 Old 05-27-2012, 04:24 PM Thread Starter
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Judge Horse and Rider Please

Please judge me and my pony, Leia jumping around 2’9″ (not really sure how high it was). For those who don't know, Leia is a 10 year old 14.2hh Saddlebredx mare who I used to do hunters with and now do jumpers with.


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post #2 of 10 Old 05-27-2012, 06:37 PM Thread Starter
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anyone? I've been working REALLY hard on both our forms, so any and all input is welcome :)

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post #3 of 10 Old 05-27-2012, 07:01 PM
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You look good, but one thing: Your release is too tight. Your horse cannot use her neck properly over a jump because if she lengthens her neck, she gets hit in the mouth with the bit.

I'm not an expert at crest releases because mine are pretty horrible sometimes. But it looks like you either need to loosen up on her mouth or move your hands more forward. Not by a lot, but a little.

Also, is it just me (the pic is a little dark) or are your lower legs a little loose? I can't tell lol. Riding without stirrup can help correct that.

Maybe arch your back just a little bit more.

Love your heels and the determined look on your face. Also love that you aren't jumping ahead! Your horse looks great, she's uneven in the front but snaps her legs up quite a bit! She looks like she loves her job!

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I'm with Corazon on the release. You could even start toying more with the auto release since your support and balance really seem to be there. I actually like that your leg is under your base of support and back a bit instead of being jammed up/forward by the girth. Some folks can appreciate the look of equitation when the leg is firmly pressed at the girth over fences, but i myself tend to like a leg that is giving a little. Which is how i feel you're riding in this picture. It doesn't seem to me that your horse needs to be really pressed to the fence with a pushy/driving leg.
She's got lovely form, as does her rider! I am in love with her expression and your distance to this fence is perfect.

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your horse has an awesome jump! she is sloppy below the knee but otherwise perfectly tight!! i agree with the release, i would drop your hand an inch or two. also perhaps angle your irons so the outer branch is slightly ahead of the inner branch, but thats being picky.
really love your horse, looks like she'd clean up in the jumpers! what is she crossed with?
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your horse has an awesome jump! she is sloppy below the knee but otherwise perfectly tight!! i agree with the release, i would drop your hand an inch or two. also perhaps angle your irons so the outer branch is slightly ahead of the inner branch, but thats being picky.
really love your horse, looks like she'd clean up in the jumpers! what is she crossed with?
Shes a saddlebredxquarter pony cross :)

Thanks! It looks like ive got some homework!

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In addition to the release, the biggest thing I personally see is a tense knee. When you look at your leg overall, your feet are pointed out instead of straight ahead and you have fallen slightly behind the movement of your horse and overcompensating with your upper body. All of this is caused by pinching your knee in. Even though it is not bad here, you have changed your hip angle. Your horse and you will both be able to jump in better form if you can open that hip angle and allow your knee stop gripping. Try to think "Grip with calf and thigh". Do that and your knee will naturally grip with equal pressure. For that reason, I wouldn't reccomend no-stirrup work. That would likely cause even more gripping. Get a good trainer on the ground to help point out that tension in real time. You look like a great pair with a lot going for you. Good luck!
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^^^ i don't agree. the toe being out just a tad means that the knee angle is open and the back of the calf is appropriately place on the horses side. I don't see knee pinching at all.
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Oxer, I don't mean to argue, but the toe out can mean either, as you stated, the knee angle is open and the back of the calf is on the horse's side or it can mean that the knee is pinched. One symptom of the knee being the culprit is that the inside of the riders foot will be lower than the outside. You can feel the same thing sitting down. Push the inside of your foot down to the floor while keeping the outside off the floor and notice what happens to your knee. It will push inwards, as will the calf. It's something I see a lot on the local hunter circuit. When this is the case, it presents a pretty nice picture from knee down to foot, but you can see the issues looking at the foot and hip.
Either way, OP, you are looking great and need only slight adjustments at this point. Keep working!
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I am going to agree with coon here, as it seems OP's calf is not as "on" the horse as I would imagine for being toed out as such. I also see the inside of the stirrup lower than the outside, although I could not say what this factually indicates.

OP, you have nice form; I like your contact, though I would like to see a bit bigger release. I like the straight back, though do agree that it closes the hip angle a bit, allowing for less calf contact.

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