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    06-03-2010, 08:19 AM
  #1
Weanling
Jumpin' jumpin' ...

So, I am wondering if anyone else has a horse that jumps like this, or in a similar way to Candy. She just looks strange to me, like she really dips her head after the jumps, and just looks awkward to me. Is this just because of her quarter horse build? I know she's not exactly 'built' for top competition show jumping, but she and I both love it. Anyway, feel free to critique my position.
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    06-03-2010, 08:26 AM
  #2
Weanling
More photographs:
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    06-03-2010, 08:29 AM
  #3
Weanling
And lastly
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    06-03-2010, 08:52 AM
  #4
Green Broke
There are 2 things horses should do to jump well. 1) jump "round" with lots of bascule by lifting their body over the fence. 2) lift their knees and tuck their lower legs to keep their legs from touching the rails. Your horse hangs her knees pretty badly. Ideally you want your horse's forearms at least horizontal. At best it's not particularly attractive, at worst it can be very dangerous as it's too easy for your horse to hit her knee on a rail and flip over. She's compensating the hanging knees by lifting her whole body over the jump best she can. So she's got #1, but not #2. This is opposite of the "splinter belly" jumpers who hike their knees to their eyeballs but don't lift their body! (Does #2 but not #1) The good news is most knee hangers can be fixed or greatly improved with lots lot and lots of gymnastics. I would highly recommend it!
     
    06-03-2010, 08:55 AM
  #5
Weanling
What types of exercises could I do to help her with this? Thanks for the imput!
     
    06-03-2010, 09:07 AM
  #6
Green Broke
Pretty much any combination of gymnastics that will teach her how to best use her body, especially one with bounces. Ie:

IMO, one of the easiest gymnastic to start with is:
With a green horse I usually trot in and make the bounces crossbars.

(bounce)(bounce)(two stride)(vertical)

Slightly more difficult:

(bounce)(bounce)(one stride)(oxer)

Work up to something like:

Again, keep the bounces to small crossbars. Can be ridden both ways.
(bounce)(bounce)(bounce)(2 stride)(bounce)(bounce)

Or

(vertical)(one stride)(oxer)(two stride)(oxer)(one stride)(vertical)
     
    06-03-2010, 12:08 PM
  #7
Foal
I think what your trouble is she looks rather flat over the fences, I wouldn't say she has a bascule form over fences, But flattening shouldn't be a huge task to sort out. Introduce her slowely to spreads. Spreads make horses bascule over fences. You need to be light in your body and need to encourage her to round more by grides and parrel bars, Also maybe get some small cavaletti's out to get her better with her foot work and try raised poles anything that will pick up her legs or help round her body into a bascule shape!

XGOODLUCK!x
     
    06-04-2010, 09:18 AM
  #8
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by SJGirl    
I think what your trouble is she looks rather flat over the fences, I wouldn't say she has a bascule form over fences, But flattening shouldn't be a huge task to sort out. Introduce her slowely to spreads. Spreads make horses bascule over fences. You need to be light in your body and need to encourage her to round more by grides and parrel bars, Also maybe get some small cavaletti's out to get her better with her foot work and try raised poles anything that will pick up her legs or help round her body into a bascule shape!

XGOODLUCK!x

How does a spread make a horse bascule over the fence?

In order for a horse to jump a spread they have to jump across. That will flatten your bascule.
     
    06-04-2010, 12:12 PM
  #9
Foal
Because a spread makes you horse reach over in a rounded shape. If the poles are at right height and distance x
     
    06-05-2010, 05:54 PM
  #10
Banned
Agree with upnover's excellent post, but I have a couple of additions.

I consider a horse that jumps with this form bordline dangerous because of the hanging front end. The only thing that keeps me from saying she is absolutely dangerous is the overjumping with the body and her clear willingness and "want to." I would not jump her any higher than is pictured here; I would not jump her over any solid obstacles until her form improves dramatically. Besides working a lot on gymnastics, PLEASE learn to use groundlines to help your horse. Some of the fences pictured have no ground line, those that have one at all have it rolled directly under the fence where it simply doesn't serve its intended purpose.

A ground line should be rolled out from the base of the fence at lease 1/2 the height of the fence; in your mare's case, I would roll it out a little more. A horse that is not tidy with its front end often benefits from a longer spot/longer arc over the fence; it gives them a little more time to roll their shoulder and bring their forearm up. If you study your photos, you'll see clearly the closer to the fence she takes off, the worse she hangs. Help her take off at a more appropriate spot by using groundlines correctly.

There are some good books out there about building gymnastics and grids; you might find them helpful in designing exercises for her.
     

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