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        04-03-2009, 12:55 PM
      #11
    Foal
    Try working on your release over cross-rails, if you're nervous. He won't take off as badly after a tiny jump as he will a big jump. Trust me, I know how nervous you are about giving that release and then having him just run away. LOL I've ridden plenty of horses like that. You may see he's more eager to jump (not speeding up eager, but relaxed eager) if he realizes that he won't get caught in the mouth over the fence. A lot of horses rush fences because they are nervous for one reason or another. If he starts to realize that jumping is pleasurable (ie. "Oh wow, now I don't have her holding onto mouth over the fence") he may relax more going into the jumps and coming out of them.

    After your show, go back to some cross rails and small verticals (2' or so), look up different grid work you can do, put trotting poles in front of jump too to keep him from speeding up. A great book you may want to pick up if you can is "101 Jumping Exercises: for Horse & Rider". :) Oh, and like I said earlier, if you don't know how to do them already have your trainer work with you and Indy on teaching you two half-halts. They're awesome for a strong horse over fences! Hehe.
         
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        04-03-2009, 04:12 PM
      #12
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JustDressageIt    
    The one thing that stood out to me most besides the releases was your leg - it swings forwards before and after the jump, so you end up like a waterskiier on your horse, pulling on his mouth and bracing with your entire leg.
    I would suggest going on the flat, and holding your two-point without touching your horse's neck at all - you can hover your hands, or put them on your hips, or out to the side, whatever you need, but really work on keeping that lower leg back and planted under you. Once you can do this and hold it for a few times around the ring, try a trot. Once you're good with the trot, do some walk-trot transitions. Once you can stay in your two point through walk-trot transitions without falling backwards or forwards no matter what your horse does under you, introduce the canter, then transition backwards and forwards through all gaits, including halt.
    Then go back to some ground pole work, and work lightly over crossrails. Work on your release over the poles and cross-rails. Most of your riding should be coming through your seat and legs, the hand is just there as a tuning guide.
    If you could have your instructor lunge your horse with you on, I think that could greatly benefit your position.
    You are a very brave, confident rider which is wonderful, and I think if you really put your mind to it, you could be a great rider :)

    This is the leg position you want:

    Hmm thanks, that's something I didnt realize untill you mentioned it!
    But I have a little problem, when I put my legs more back, then I touch his sides, and then he thinks he has to run faster so he speeds up, begins to do hops, and so on..! I just know this because I'm always so careful about not touching his sides, unless I'm in the air (to make him lift his legs higher over the jump), or if I need to turn him, then I use my legs too. I think that could be the reason why my legs are so much forward..! So I plant them in the "hole", where the girth is where I can't really touch him by accident or anything..
    Do you have any suggestions to what I could do about this..? :(
         
        04-03-2009, 04:17 PM
      #13
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by draftlover215    
    Try working on your release over cross-rails, if you're nervous. He won't take off as badly after a tiny jump as he will a big jump. Trust me, I know how nervous you are about giving that release and then having him just run away. LOL I've ridden plenty of horses like that. You may see he's more eager to jump (not speeding up eager, but relaxed eager) if he realizes that he won't get caught in the mouth over the fence. A lot of horses rush fences because they are nervous for one reason or another. If he starts to realize that jumping is pleasurable (ie. "Oh wow, now I don't have her holding onto mouth over the fence") he may relax more going into the jumps and coming out of them.

    After your show, go back to some cross rails and small verticals (2' or so), look up different grid work you can do, put trotting poles in front of jump too to keep him from speeding up. A great book you may want to pick up if you can is "101 Jumping Exercises: for Horse & Rider". :) Oh, and like I said earlier, if you don't know how to do them already have your trainer work with you and Indy on teaching you two half-halts. They're awesome for a strong horse over fences! Hehe.
    Sounds great, and thanks!
    I think you're right, cause he only speeds up when i'm advancing the jump, and then he just keeps the speed after, unless I slow him down (obviously).. I don't really have a problem slowing him down, its just that after the jump, sometimes I get a little panicky so I pull too much, so he does a hop, and then he continues hopping because he wants to keep going, and I slowed him down too much too fast.. :( And then I have to get the speed again, and woops, there's the next jump, and if I change the tempo before the jump, I get a hit or a fall or whatever you call it.. :/
         
        04-03-2009, 04:33 PM
      #14
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Vicizmax    
    Hmm thanks, that's something I didnt realize untill you mentioned it!
    But I have a little problem, when I put my legs more back, then I touch his sides, and then he thinks he has to run faster so he speeds up, begins to do hops, and so on..! I just know this because I'm always so careful about not touching his sides, unless I'm in the air (to make him lift his legs higher over the jump), or if I need to turn him, then I use my legs too. I think that could be the reason why my legs are so much forward..! So I plant them in the "hole", where the girth is where I can't really touch him by accident or anything..
    Do you have any suggestions to what I could do about this..? :(
    You need to take him back to basics and show him that legs do not always mean go faster.
    Riding is mostly legs and seat; most of your turns, asking your horse to round up, lateral movements, and your seat should ask for collection and bounce.. there is a biiiig hole in your training if you can't keep your leg resting on your horse. Your position shouldn't be compromised, the horse has to learn that leg on could mean something other than "go faster."
         
        04-03-2009, 06:24 PM
      #15
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JustDressageIt    
    You need to take him back to basics and show him that legs do not always mean go faster.
    Riding is mostly legs and seat; most of your turns, asking your horse to round up, lateral movements, and your seat should ask for collection and bounce.. there is a biiiig hole in your training if you can't keep your leg resting on your horse. Your position shouldn't be compromised, the horse has to learn that leg on could mean something other than "go faster."
    Yea, ok.. Problem is I only jump him once a week and that's it, so I can't really practice that so much..! But I'll try to work on it when I'm warming up and possibly while i'm jumping, if he's not too hyped up..!

    I'll be working on my hands/releases and legs, and when I think there's an improvement I'll post another video, and I hope you'll be there to critique again..!
         
        04-03-2009, 06:29 PM
      #16
    Showing
    In my opinion, it is a concern you should bring up with your coach... I am surprised that they haven't noticed it... and in all honesty, if they don't do anything to help your position, I wold find a new coach... they are doing nothing for you by letting it slip.
    Again, you are a rider with potential, I would hate to see that squandered by the wrong coach :)
         
        04-03-2009, 09:43 PM
      #17
    Trained
    Quote:
    I am surprised that they haven't noticed it... and in all honesty, if they don't do anything to help your position, I wold find a new coach... they are doing nothing for you by letting it slip.
    Again, you are a rider with potential, I would hate to see that squandered by the wrong coach :)




    Ahhhh, my biggest beef.

    Uneducated Coaches turning out Uneducaed Riders.

    How often do we see coaches allowing students to jump, before they should be. Not teaching them the strong fundamentals and basics on the flat first and not permitting holes in their students training.

    How often do we see pictures and video's of riders going over fences - with form that should be correct, when it is not.

    We have too many coaches - who want the $$ in their pocket, so they let their students jump just to keep employee'd.

    Tisk, tisk, tisk.....



    Huuuuge peeve of mine.....but I will leave it at that......walking away now......
         

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