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  • Jumps with no groundline
  • What do you mean ground line in horse riding?

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    08-07-2011, 02:03 AM
Green Broke
Oxer - You told me what you think, but no suggestions on how to help this. I'm not sure what you mean by "unsure". Could you elaborate?

We do need to do some trot poles to tighten up her legs, I can't do much in the way of riding right now from the drought (cracks in the ground) but maybe I could set some up in the round pen, it's decently sized.

Alex- I'll have to punch some holes in the leathers, but I was thinking that they needed to go up a notch or 2. Thank you for your critique.
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    08-07-2011, 02:13 AM
I think you both just need grid work. Your horse needs to learn to pick up those front feet and to push off evenly from behind. I am lucky enough now to ride at a place that has amazing footing and jump courses... however, I didn't start that way. Cheap jumps are a lot easier to come by than you would think. Go to the home depot and hand make some fences. Bounces, ground lines, things of that nature will teach your pony to pat the ground at the base of the fence properly.
    08-07-2011, 02:43 AM
Hm... and another thing to think about. This goes against what somebody else was saying in this thread, but once you get more comfortable with your leg position with your stirrups up a bit forget about half seat completely. Sit back a little more in the saddle on the approach (will also help you stop jumping ahead) and it will encourage your horse to actually jump it with more power from behind rather than just hopping over.
And if you can (the round pen would work!) work on lengthening and shortening your horses stride, it'll help you in the long run with being able to spot distances and have more control of your horse.
    08-07-2011, 02:52 AM
Green Broke
Are you saying to stay in the saddle over the jump?

What I try to do is sit deep in the saddle on the approach, and when she lifts her front to jump is when I move into 2-point.

I'm getting a little jump happy though, causing me to get ahead. Man, I need to get back into lessons! Lol.
    08-07-2011, 02:58 AM
Oh no! I mean pretty much exactly what you're doing, but wait that extra half a second! It makes the whole difference. I didn't notice I was jumping ahead until I started jumping oxers, it's scary and you want to lean forward to 'help' but that does nothing for your horse. It sounds like you've pretty much got it down except you just need to stay deep for a tiny bit longer and really let her come to you so that your body follows naturally when she comes up to jump.
    08-07-2011, 11:08 PM
Green Broke
So I did some trot poles and a couple of jumps today. Nothing big as the round pen isn't really bog enough to jump in. But I did notice when she started to get lazy with her legs and I sat deeper into the jump and just barely got int 2point she did much better.
    08-08-2011, 12:38 AM

I want to clear up a possible misconception.

There is a *big* difference between ground lines, trot poles, and cavaletti.

A previous poster mentioned ground lines or ground poles, and I think you understood that as trot poles or cavaletti, which is not what the post intended.

A *ground line* is a single rail on the ground in front of the fence, rolled out from the base of the fence the same distance the fence is high. It helps the horse *see* the bottom of the fence and judge its take off spot; as horses lose depth perception when looking at something straight in front of them.

Jumping a single rail, with no ground line on no filler, is very, very, difficult for the horse because they can't judge either the height of the jump or their distance from it.

Jumping fences without ground lines or false ground lines used to be a standard question in eventing, in caused so many problems at the lower levels that you now don't see it until Training Level and above.

So please give your horse a break and drag some more dead limbs out of the woods or buy some landscaping timbers at Home Depot and add ground lines to your homemade fences. If you're going to jump them in both directions, put a ground line on *both* sides of the fence.

Your horse will jump better and you'll be safer.

Trot poles are also a good idea, but you do need good ground and some knowledge of striding to set those up.
    08-08-2011, 01:03 AM
In the first picture it looks like you are leaning to the side which is making your horse go to the side to. Try to stay still when jumping and not to interfere with him and stay inline with his spine. To help with the jumping try putting more weight in your heels and not stand on your toes and also don't lean forward so much. But I love your horse!
    08-08-2011, 02:19 AM
Green Broke
Thank you very much for clearing that up Maura.

I knew that the ground lines (didnt know they were called that though!) were to help the horse judge where to take off, but I didn't know how far from the jump they were supossed to be.

How far apart should trot poles be set up? I read somewhere that they should be about 2 human strides from each other, but whose strides?

And what about raised trot poles? How raised are they supossed to be?
    08-08-2011, 02:46 AM
I attached a pic. This was his first time jumping and I wanted to make sure that he was able to find a good "take off" spot, as well as picking up those front feet!
The ground line is usually about half the distance as the jump is high. So if you're jumping a 3' vertical, the ground line would be about a foot and a half away If you're trying to get your horse's front end even, you can roll the ground line out equal distance as the jump is high. At least, this is how I usually jump when using ground lines.
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