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        04-14-2009, 05:41 PM
    Jumping... Critique? :]

    Soo, I have been riding at a new barn since the last time I was on here and am working on improving my position over fences. I'll show you a before (Fall 08) and after (Spring 09). Please tell me what looks better or worse and how I can improve. Also, please know that I am riding a jumper, not a hunter horse in the second (the spring photo). So he is a little more hot which may account for some faults. But I do know that most of my issues are due to my lack of skill, not his.
    Feel free to tear me apart! Thanks! :]

    Fall 08:

    Spring 09:

    Also Spring 09:
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        04-14-2009, 05:56 PM
    You definitely have much improved since Fall 08. In the Fall picture, you appear to be jumping ahead of your horse's motion and pinching with your knee, which is causing your upper body to be dependent on the neck, and your lower leg to swing back. In the spring pictures, you look great! The only thing you might want to work on is not turning your toe out so much, but it's not a big issue.
        04-14-2009, 05:59 PM
    Thanks! Yeah. My toes are turned out because my instructor is trying to get my to drop my weight into my heels because I used to have a death grip with my knees and calves. So we're trying to get me to fix my leg, then once I've got that down, I'll work more on turning my toe in without gripping as badly.
        04-14-2009, 07:21 PM
    I agree with what Equestriaan said. Your position has improved and you are going with the horse's motion not jumping for it. My only thing that I would fix is shorten your reins. Its better then having too short reins however you are good enough to create contact and not interfere with the horse. Great job and keep improving.
        04-14-2009, 07:25 PM
    Thanks! I'll definitely work on that then. I just don't jump this horse often, so I wanted to make sure since I don't really know him that I didn't catch him in the mouth or anything.

    Anyone else?
    PLEASE tear the pictures apart!
    I really want to improve.
        04-14-2009, 08:04 PM
    I'll work more on turning my toe in without gripping as badly.
    I totally have the same issue. I turn my toes out soo much over jumps to keep my leg from swinging back!

    Anyone else?
    PLEASE tear the pictures apart!
    I really want to improve.
    Don't worry xD MIEventer will probably be along, and she always gives really hepful and thorough critiques.
        04-14-2009, 09:50 PM
    Two of the pictures are the same - meaning.....

    The 1st and the 3rd picture - are of the take off at the base of the fence. The 2nd picture, is of the rider and horse mid air, over the center of the fence. The riders form is going to be different at take off, as to over the center.

    To the two who've already critiqued - and anyone else - I want you to take a good look at the 1st picture, and the 3rd picture and tell me what differences do you see?

    You cannot look at the 2nd picture compare to the other two - totally different

    I'll give a critique - I just want to see if others can see what I am.
        04-14-2009, 10:07 PM
    MIEventer: Thank you for challenging me. I have been riding for sixish years and see faults but im not always a 100% positive that im right so im going to give it a more through shot. Please comment and help me where possible! Also if you could critique my post from earlier this week that would be great!

    Ok, looking closer I would see in the
    First picture: Over-jumping probably because here heel has come up and made her leg unstable. Her foot is too far into the stirrup which could also be part of the problem. Shortening the stirrup a whole might allow her heel to drop further and help her stop over jumping. She has a nice back and is looking ahead. However she has a large bend in her elbow from leaning up the neck to much. It also looks like she had a rather tight distance.

    The third picture: Her leg looks better in this picture but like Equuestriaan said her toe is turned out more then it should be. She is still jumping ahead and for the horse, she needs to wait for the horse's motion to lift her out of her saddle. I feel like there is something im missing on this picture. Any idea?

    Thank you for helping to challenge me!
        04-14-2009, 10:13 PM
    Just curious, but how does that help me?
    It seems you're just helping them critique me.
    (That's totally fine, I just want to know how I can improve!)
    So, if you could tell me some things about what I'm doing right and wrong and what not, that'd be rad.
        04-15-2009, 12:16 PM
    I am challenging people on this forum, who want to give critiques - to learn to see what they are seeing. To get an educated eye - I am challenging them to educate themselves - - - - so that they can help posters such as yourself who are asking for help.


    First picture: Over-jumping probably because here heel has come up and made her leg unstable. Her foot is too far into the stirrup which could also be part of the problem. Shortening the stirrup a whole might allow her heel to drop further and help her stop over jumping. She has a nice back and is looking ahead. However she has a large bend in her elbow from leaning up the neck to much. It also looks like she had a rather tight distance.
    Good job here and you are correct - but we forgot a couple of other things here.

    Lower Leg -

    The first thing that speaks out to me, is her knee pinching. When a rider has no solidity in their lower leg, they turn to their knees to lock them in their tack over a fence, which gives them that false sense of security, but when they do that - they destroy the links of solid form, and creates a domino effect of negativity.

    So the first picture -

    First thing I see, loud and clear is the rider jumping ahead drastically here. Her seat is way out of her tack, and her crotch is way over the Pommel of the saddle. Her bodies weight, is alllll on her horses forehand, which is making her horses job - even that much more harder, all the while, covering his riders patooie and getting his job done the best he can.

    So lets ask - why is she doing this? Lets go down from her seat and see what is the problem.........AH! Knee pinching!! So lets ask, why is she pinching her knees? Lets look down more............No security in her lower leg - as we already established.

    Domino effect.

    So by the rider not having their leg secured at the horses girth. By the rider being ontop of their horse instead of around *legs wrapped around girth* and because of the knee pinching and incorrect placement of the iron - the riders heels cannot anchor them - the leg flings back, and the upper body flings forward.

    Also, another thing at play here - rider anticipation of the fence. What does this mean? This means that the rider is riding the fence, not their horse. They are so focused on the fence ahead - thinking about it, stressing about it, staring at it, trying to get to it instead of allowing it to come to them - which causes the rider to fling forward, out and ahead.

    3rd picture:

    So again, what is the first thing I look at? The riders seat. Again, I see the seat way to far out of the riders tack and her crotch over the pommel. Her Bodies weight, again - on her horses forehand making her horses job that much harder.

    So again - lets look to see what is causing this? Anticipation of the fence.

    Right now - she is ontop of her horse, she is not around her horse. Also, she is not sinking into her tack, where isntead she is out of her tack.

    So what does sinking into your tack mean? It means going down in your bodies motion, remaining with your horses center of gravity and movement - instead of going in an up and forward motion.

    See how open her knee angle is here? Her knee angle should be much more closed.

    She is riding the fence, not her horse.

    Ok so lets start with her lower leg. Again, her leather length is correct, her iron placement is correct. Her legs are good - but I would rather see her around her horse, not ontop.

    I would put her back over x rails and small fences. Remember - it is not the height of the fence that matters, is the the quallity of the fence that does.

    You know the fence is there. Your horse knows the fence is there. So why on earth are you focusing on it? Focus on what is under you, not infront of you. Ride your horses rhythm, not the fence.

    Focus on rhythm, tempo, straitness. Focus on where your body parts are. Allow the fence to come to you, not you to it. Allow your horse to do his job - that is not your place. Leave him alone!

    Sit and wait for your horse to lift you out of your tack. Stop doing that job for him. He is much bigger and heavier than you are, so stop interfearing.

    You are lucky to have a horse to continues over the fence for you. If you had a horse who didn't cover your tooshy, you'd of flown head over heels. Learn to secure yourself properly in your tack.

    Stay centered, remain balanced and over your horses center of gravity. Sit and wait. Sink low, wrap around and close those knees - push your toosh back.

    Your seat should be over the center of your saddle, and there should be very little space between your seat and your tack.

    This is where a rider should be on take off for a fence:


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