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post #21 of 28 Old 11-16-2009, 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by charliBum View Post

ohmyitschelle-Your welcome to come and stay at mine and meet Charli if you wish. and see how much I abuse my horse when riding.
I never said you abused your horse. If you wish to take it that way, nothing I can do but say, I never meant for you to believe you were abusing your horse.

I sincerely wish you all the best in working with your horse on the flat, and building his jumping correctly. But I wasn't the only one to say what I pointed out, so I hope you see we're not trying to attack you (wasn't my intentio), but suggest to you that you back off the jumping... you may think some people are knowitalls here, but the reason I personally spoke out was because I really was worried about an accident occuring.
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You quite defiantly strongly hinted it. Do you have msn, I can show you his starting pictures etc.
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She never hinted at such a thing. Please quote where she did.

You do yank, you do pull, and you do look horribly dangerous. Just because you love your horse, doesn't mean it makes those things go away.

If your horse doesn't crash into a jump soon, he's going to start refusing. Guaranteed. You can NOT chase him into those jumps and get horrible distances ever time and expect him to keep jumping.

He's only going to put up with you for so long.

And please, stop using the 'but he's so much better' excuse. We all know horses improve. But just because he's better doesn'tmean you should be jumping him. A good trainer knows when to start jumping a horse--and yours is not relaxed, nor trained enough to do it.

Just because you say you use 'outside rein and leg' and your seat doesn't mean your horse understands them--and that's VERY clear in the video. He's running through aids and pulling on your hands and spinning out of turns.

You can say what makes you happy, but if you want to get any better, it's time to grow up and start listening to the advice posted.

If not, we'll be waiting for your threads on how to 'fix' a horse that stops or runs out.

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post #24 of 28 Old 11-16-2009, 01:00 PM
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I agree mayfieldk. This horse is a trooper. CharliBum, you and your horse do need to take a step back and really look at what's going on in that video. First, the horse is rushing - this can be solved with more dressage work (half halts) and going back to basics, working on slowing down. Secondly, the horse takes some very scary spots - again, dressage and slow will help fix that. Thirdly, the horse is running through your aids; dressage and slow will help fix that.
If you were my student, you'd be going back to flatwork, and figuring out inside versus outside aids. You'd be learning leg-yields and how to ride the horse's hind end, and become less handsy. Then I'd ask you to start controlling the horse's hind end and ribcage and shoulder with haunches in/out and shoulder in/out. Transitions (within gaits and between gaits), flexion, counterbending, all on the flat would be the name of the game for 6 months. Then I'd introduce trot poles again. Then a crossrail. Then we'd go back to flatting for a while. Then we'd look at jumping again.
You have a lot to work on. You've been given a ton of good advice on all your critique posts. You are not a terrible rider, and your horse is very good - he saved your butt a few times in that video - HOWEVER you need to step back and see what we're seeing. There is a ton of room for improvement on your flatwork. In my humble but very honest opinion, you need 6 months or more of just solid flatwork, no jumping whatsoever, to eventually improve your jumping.
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post #25 of 28 Old 11-16-2009, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by charliBum View Post
Thanks, I can normally see my strides well but get a bit out with uprights mostly. I am finished with school so tomorrow will be spent setting up grids and trot poles etc.
Well i would highly encourage you to do the exercise i explained for 2-3 weeks straight and only do that and jump nothing more then the small X's that i explained. Your horse will feel more confidant as well because you will be consistent and he will get in a rhythm.

Then when you start jumping again you still need to think and work on this exercise ... no one is ever above the basics and we can all always learn more

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post #26 of 28 Old 11-16-2009, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by charliBum View Post
You quite defiantly strongly hinted it. Do you have msn, I can show you his starting pictures etc.

Abuse is something one would need to see in person to suggest, unless the obvious (sores/wounds, skinny etc). I would never suggest online without knowing a horse correctly (in person), that someone is abusing their horse. In fact I'd never do it, simply because I know how it feels with people say things like that (which I'd like to simply point out I've never been accused of doing). What I said was what other people are also seeing. I'm going to stop repeating this.

I'm sorry you feel that way. And no I don't use msn.
I think you've been given good advice in numerous threads, and I'm sure we'd all be happy to continue with the good advice if you need it. But it's up to you to take on the advice. The only reason your threads take a negative turn, is because you deny advice, and sometimes quite rudely. Only so many times can a person ignore that.
I wish you all the best.

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post #27 of 28 Old 11-16-2009, 06:06 PM
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I would take about six steps back and start over. This horse is not balanced enough to be doing jumps this high. He is way too heavy on the forehand making it very hard to jump well. That is one reason he is hanging his front legs so badly, pulling rails. There is no eye for the distances by the rider, causing terrible spots for the jump take off. Both horse and rider need to start over in their training.
You need to trot fences until he can engage his haunch better and you can practise seeing spots from a slower, more adjustable stride. Half halts are needed. Not a few huge ones, but many smaller ones. When he can calmly approach the jumps from trot, then you can graduate to cantering jumps. Cantering too early encourages them to use momentum, instead of balance, to get over the jumps. This encourages the rushing.

Good luck. Don't be in too big a hurry to jump larger jumps. Once you two learn the basics, it will go quickly.
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post #28 of 28 Old 11-18-2009, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mayfieldk View Post
You can say what makes you happy, but if you want to get any better, it's time to grow up and start listening to the advice posted.
I was going to say the same thing!
The others have given you awesome advice. They are not trying to be mean or rude. They are just concerned for you and your horse.
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