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        11-16-2008, 05:42 AM
      #11
    Foal
    Thanks alot, that was great advice!

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    For stiffness, try riding without stirrups for a while to help gain your balance.
    Yes, sometimes I go and ride without a saddle and I think that helps alot since I can relax and stretch my legs as much as I want.. xD Thus being able to use them better. So i'll try that out again soon since its been a while since I rode without stirrups.. :)

    Fedex: Thanks a lot for all the advice! I'll definitely try this out next lesson. I now notice more and more mistakes I made which I haven't noticed before, so that was great help! :)
         
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        11-16-2008, 05:52 AM
      #12
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by SonnyWimps    
    But I love his movements. He has nice gaits and is nice all around horse. I think he'll go far in dressage competitions! What breed and what age?
    He's a nice little mover and I really like him!! If you find him missing...I'll admit to this one.....it was me
    He's registered as Danish Sportpony! But his mother was a New Forest, and I know he definitely has some arab blood in him.. :)
    He's 17 years old, so a bit old now.. :p
    He used to do really big competitions in both jumping and dressage with his old owner, when he was younger, he can do all the exercises in dressage.. :) Its just me who isnt that experienced.. xD hehe
         
        11-16-2008, 05:54 AM
      #13
    Foal
    I don't want to be mean, just that you know.

    You are pulling to much in your horses mouth. On a circle, when he comes up.
    If you want him to go on the bit, you have to achieve that with relaxation and flexibilty. Not by "Let pull him into this position". And keep your toes in, I can hang my coat over your feet. ;) Don't lean back too much, it doesn't look nice and it gives you a look that your pulling to much.
    And before you do flying changes, half pass and all of that, you have to get your horse on the bit, relaxed.
    Half of the judges these days don't even know what relaxation means, what flexibility means. These days it's all about pull into position.
         
        11-16-2008, 11:49 AM
      #14
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Nadia    
    I don't want to be mean, just that you know.

    You are pulling to much in your horses mouth. On a circle, when he comes up.
    If you want him to go on the bit, you have to achieve that with relaxation and flexibilty. Not by "Let pull him into this position". And keep your toes in, I can hang my coat over your feet. ;) Don't lean back too much, it doesn't look nice and it gives you a look that your pulling to much.
    And before you do flying changes, half pass and all of that, you have to get your horse on the bit, relaxed.
    Half of the judges these days don't even know what relaxation means, what flexibility means. These days it's all about pull into position.
    Yes unfortunately he's very stiff and he's not my horse, so I only ride him once a week! Otherwise he goes on hunts in the weekends and is ridden by beginners.. :/ So I don't have any days where I can practice basic things like that..! Which really annoys me, but what can I do? :/
         
        11-16-2008, 03:47 PM
      #15
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Vicizmax    
    Yes unfortunately he's very stiff and he's not my horse, so I only ride him once a week! Otherwise he goes on hunts in the weekends and is ridden by beginners.. :/ So I don't have any days where I can practice basic things like that..! Which really annoys me, but what can I do? :/
    Well, here's something simple for you. Keep to this warming-up!
    10 minutes walk, first 5 min. Long loose reins. Then ride him round and low. Not Rollkur, but lower. This loosens his neck muscles up. And ride plenty of circles. Make him look outwards and inwards, that is the most important. Your horse has to be flexible. Try a trot and ride him low and round. Keep him active, plenty of collected trot and burst out into extented trot. This has to happen in 1,2,3! This way you keep you horse from leaning into your hands and using your hands as a carrier. Then give him more room (loosen the reins) if I'm right, he will try and search the contact between you and him. When he does that, you can begin the real work.
    I happy to help you anytime. I work with problem horses, a stiff neck is a tiny problem to me. You don't want to know what kind of problems I've been through.

    If you ever want anymore help or tips, just ask. I here to help. ;)
         
        11-16-2008, 06:08 PM
      #16
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Nadia    
    Well, here's something simple for you. Keep to this warming-up!
    10 minutes walk, first 5 min. Long loose reins. Then ride him round and low. Not Rollkur, but lower. This loosens his neck muscles up. And ride plenty of circles. Make him look outwards and inwards, that is the most important. Your horse has to be flexible. Try a trot and ride him low and round. Keep him active, plenty of collected trot and burst out into extented trot. This has to happen in 1,2,3! This way you keep you horse from leaning into your hands and using your hands as a carrier. Then give him more room (loosen the reins) if I'm right, he will try and search the contact between you and him. When he does that, you can begin the real work.
    I happy to help you anytime. I work with problem horses, a stiff neck is a tiny problem to me. You don't want to know what kind of problems I've been through.

    If you ever want anymore help or tips, just ask. I here to help. ;)
    Again, thanks, hehe :p
    When I warm up I only ride circles, I make big and small ones, around the jumps, changing direction after every circle, trying to loosen him up. And it helps, he relaxes more, but because of his stiffness (cuz he's not worked well every day, they just put a loose chambon on him and he rides around with his nose in the air) every time I try to get him to bend his neck, or just turn his neck left or right, he speeds up, so then of course I hold him back before he has the time to speed up, and make a circle but then he stops and starts to rise on his hind legs. And if I keep trying, he just stops and rises more often, tenses and then I have a really bad jumping lesson because he starts hopping around.. :/

    A few weeks ago, I was allowed to borrow him for a dressage lesson, and I really got him loosened up in the end! For half an hour, I struggled with him stopping, rising, going sideways, going too fast and all kinds of things, but after 30 minutes of hard work it payed off, he went down and bended his neck by himself, I didnt even have to have any contact with his mouth, I loosened my reins and he still went down! But that was some hell of a lesson, and the next day he went to the forest, so unfortunately it all went to waste.. -.-'

    So if you have any advice of how I can loosen him up in 5-10 minutes of trot and gallop, please do tell!

    My lesson is at 16:30 on thursdays but we have to set the jumps up at 16, we can't do it earlier because there's lessons, so I have to set up jumps from 16:00 to 16:15, saddle up fast and get in the saddle, so i'm down at the riding house around 16:18-16:20, I walk him around 7 minutes, then I have 5-10 minutes to warm him up, since I get a few minutes at the start of the lesson before we jump, then I warm up on a cross and a few small jumps before we really begin at around 16:35, and then we do a course and stuff untill 16:45, and then I walk him off. I only get 15 min. Of a jumping lesson because I have my private lessons alone. If I rode with another person, it would be half an hour, but there's no other rider who has a pony who takes the private lessons, and I can't have it with a horse because of the distances on the double jumps and stuff. So the length of the lesson depends on how many people there are, so each person gets 15 min in all.
         
        11-17-2008, 02:39 AM
      #17
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Vicizmax    
    Again, thanks, hehe :p
    When I warm up I only ride circles, I make big and small ones, around the jumps, changing direction after every circle, trying to loosen him up. And it helps, he relaxes more, but because of his stiffness (cuz he's not worked well every day, they just put a loose chambon on him and he rides around with his nose in the air) every time I try to get him to bend his neck, or just turn his neck left or right, he speeds up, so then of course I hold him back before he has the time to speed up, and make a circle but then he stops and starts to rise on his hind legs. And if I keep trying, he just stops and rises more often, tenses and then I have a really bad jumping lesson because he starts hopping around.. :/

    A few weeks ago, I was allowed to borrow him for a dressage lesson, and I really got him loosened up in the end! For half an hour, I struggled with him stopping, rising, going sideways, going too fast and all kinds of things, but after 30 minutes of hard work it payed off, he went down and bended his neck by himself, I didnt even have to have any contact with his mouth, I loosened my reins and he still went down! But that was some hell of a lesson, and the next day he went to the forest, so unfortunately it all went to waste.. -.-'

    So if you have any advice of how I can loosen him up in 5-10 minutes of trot and gallop, please do tell!

    My lesson is at 16:30 on thursdays but we have to set the jumps up at 16, we can't do it earlier because there's lessons, so I have to set up jumps from 16:00 to 16:15, saddle up fast and get in the saddle, so i'm down at the riding house around 16:18-16:20, I walk him around 7 minutes, then I have 5-10 minutes to warm him up, since I get a few minutes at the start of the lesson before we jump, then I warm up on a cross and a few small jumps before we really begin at around 16:35, and then we do a course and stuff untill 16:45, and then I walk him off. I only get 15 min. Of a jumping lesson because I have my private lessons alone. If I rode with another person, it would be half an hour, but there's no other rider who has a pony who takes the private lessons, and I can't have it with a horse because of the distances on the double jumps and stuff. So the length of the lesson depends on how many people there are, so each person gets 15 min in all.
    Just trot and canter?
    Try and do the same in trot as you did in walk. On the longest side of the arena you bring him back to collected trot, then do a fullout extended trot and back to collected trot again then extended again. Now his hindlegs will start working, he will pick them up more. This will lead to more relaxation. Ride half-pass. Make sure he takes his hindlegs with him. Now you push him into canter. If he doesn't react to your legs, just try again. If he doesn't do it then give a small kick, now he should canter. But bring him back and start again. Once he's cantering try collected and extended. Big and small circles, half-pass and counter canter. After you've done all of this, Bring him to a walk. Then a collected trot, the a extended trot, collected canter and extended canter. Now he should feel much looser. This usually takes me 6-8 minutes.
         
        11-20-2008, 04:48 AM
      #18
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Nadia    
    Just trot and canter?
    Try and do the same in trot as you did in walk. On the longest side of the arena you bring him back to collected trot, then do a fullout extended trot and back to collected trot again then extended again. Now his hindlegs will start working, he will pick them up more. This will lead to more relaxation. Ride half-pass. Make sure he takes his hindlegs with him. Now you push him into canter. If he doesn't react to your legs, just try again. If he doesn't do it then give a small kick, now he should canter. But bring him back and start again. Once he's cantering try collected and extended. Big and small circles, half-pass and counter canter. After you've done all of this, Bring him to a walk. Then a collected trot, the a extended trot, collected canter and extended canter. Now he should feel much looser. This usually takes me 6-8 minutes.
    Ok thanks alot I'll try that out!!
    I'm jumping him today so I can try find someone to film me, and try out all the advice everyone's been giving me ;)
         
        11-23-2008, 09:48 PM
      #19
    Weanling
    If you ended up getting more video, I'd love to see it! =)
         
        11-24-2008, 12:01 AM
      #20
    Showing
    Just a few pointers.. I haven't read any other posts:

    Dressage -

    - You are waaaay too busy with your hands; jerking, tugging, messing around.. I suggest trying to have a quiet, consistant hand - you are making the horse busy in the head because of your busy hands.

    - You are crossing your rein over; try and keep your hands steady and on the side of the horse that you're directing the rein to.

    - You are very stiff at the trot and don't move well with your horse; try and relax your back, move with your horse, and I can guarantee your horse will start working through his back more.

    - You are forcing the horse behind the vertical a few times; again, busy hands are causing this.

    - When you are asking for a leg-yield, the horse is overbending and then you correct it, then you let him overbend again - try and keep the horse straighter with a slight bend. This does not mean lose suppleness.

    - Keep your leg in line and heels down.

    - Overall I think your biggest problem is that you ride too much with your hands; try and shift that so you're riding with your seat and leg more.

    - In the second video, while you were doing a loop you asked him nicely off the rail, then let him rush back shoulder-first to the track; instead, try and keep him nice and steady and bent through the loop, instead of just rushing back to the wall.

    - All in all, I do think your canter could use some work, it is fairly rushy and unbalanced.

    Okay, I am tapped out for critiques for the moment, sorry it's so short.
         

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