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  • i'm ready to jump oxers but i only do cross rails
  • Lesson that went bad

 
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    08-13-2008, 05:13 PM
  #1
Foal
Jumping Lesson (Went bad :O)

Watch this video here:
(Sorry the danish language in the video, I just didnt bother changing to english)

http://www.hestegalleri.dk/html/vid_...?VideoID=66738

It was the first time I jumped on that horse, and the first time I jumped on a horse!
He hasn't jumped in 3 months.
(I've jumped ponies before, just not horses).
It was 30 degrees celcius and I was dying of thirst!
I was sweating buckets too which tires a person out, + I wasnt strong enough for that horse.
It was a hard and rough fight.. :/
But I got him to jump in the end!
This horse can jump high! And I mean HIGH!!
Like 160 cm kind of high!
But those are 70-90 cm. Jumps.
He just doesnt always WANT to jump and starts looking at the jump and refusing. There's only 3 people who've jumped him, his last owner who sold him to the stables and a girl who had to fight with him a few months before he stopped refusing. And then me.

Oh and, I know my position makes me look like a beginner, but my mind was only thinking "Hands, legs, hands, legs" I even forgot to breathe at some points because I was concentrating so hard!

When the horse falls on the jump, I know that's my fault. I didnt think he'd jump when standing right in front of it! So I wasnt holding him back.

I jumped him for 2-3 months and it got better! I jumped 110 cm. On him then we switched round the course and he started refusing again, even though he'd jumped those jumps before! They just werent standing where they used to. So then I switched to a pony which I had been jumping on for a year, a year ago, so I preferred that alot more since it had a problem with going to fast xD

I don't mind advice, comments or critisizm.
     
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    08-13-2008, 05:20 PM
  #2
Weanling
The few things I would like to point out is that when he refuses, do not try and make him jump from a stand still. Go back around and come at it again, and until he goes over it, or you can figure out why he is refusing. I'm sorry but it was hard to watch you kicking him to try and get him to jump it from a stand still...

Second, try and steady your hands more. They are all over the place.And, you probably don't notice but when you're hands are everywhere, you are giving your horse a ton of signals and he gets confused and frustrated. Let your hands roll with the horse's motion.

Third, you guys both seem VERY tense. Try and relax your body and let everything come naturally. If you are relaxed, your horse will be relaxed. Trust me, the more you think about everything and trying to force yourself to do everything perfect, it just won't turn out that way.

You also may want to shorten your stirrups for jumping.

Please, anybody correct me if I am wrong about anything.
     
    08-13-2008, 09:46 PM
  #3
Weanling
I agree with Rodeogirl309.

1. Don't try to make your horse jump an oxer from a stand still. Its a gauarantee that he will knock it down causing more stress. Kicking him over and over again in front of a fence like that won't do anything but make him more frustrated.
2. He is also getting very confused from the mixed signals that you are giving him. Going to the fence you are driving with your seat but pulling back hard on the reins. Your telling him to move forward and slow down/stop at the same time. So when he reaches the fence he doesn't understand wether he is supposed to jump it or stop at it.
3. When he does refuse, don't give hard jerks to his mouth. When you do this it causes him much pain from the bit. What you are doing by pulling the reins is making him have a hard mouth. That means that he isn't going to stop or lisson as easily as he used to do. This will just make the problem worse.
4. When he finally jumps the fence stay with him. When you get left behind you pull on his mouth making him think he did the wrong thing.

Do you know this horse's history? Was there a bad accident or abusive owner? Horse's are like humans where you have to build their confidence back up. Start with cross rails or even pulls on the ground and build his confidence, then slowly add verticals and oxers. Don't blow his mind. He is confused and frustrated and you don't want to make it worse, so make sure you praise him for every little thing. For example if he goes right over the first fence give him a big pat and over exaterate(sp) everything. If he refuses the fence but then jumps it give him a pat. You want to make his job fun. If its not fun he won't want to do it and it will just make both of you angry.

I hope this advice works and good luck in the future!
     
    08-13-2008, 09:52 PM
  #4
Green Broke
The only thing that I saw was when you kicked the horse to make it jump over the jump. Don't try to make the horse jump from a stand still.
     
    08-13-2008, 11:32 PM
  #5
Started
I agree completely with rodeogirl and britt.
Relax, let your hands go with the motion, don't jump from a standstill, and work on being a more quiet rider. As they said being all over the place was sending him contradicting signals. And to add to that, it looks like you're just running him at the jumps and not counting strides or really seeing any distance. Maybe try collecting him up more and helping him out with the distances.

I understand that it was your first time jumping him, and that's ok. Just practice, practice, practice, and soon you two could make a great team.
     
    08-13-2008, 11:39 PM
  #6
Foal
You are giving WAY to many signals at once. You should not be riding a horse that is green like this.. you kick pull and lean back all at the same time. Rushing a hrose to a fence also does not make it go over it. DO NOT jump from a standstill and mess with your hands like that. You are pulling, yanking and kicking a horse to go over a jump from a stand still?..I hate to say it, but if he is green and didn't jump for 3 months, you aren't making it much easier for him..
     
    08-14-2008, 04:08 PM
  #7
Weanling
You really have a chair seat. You need to bring your legs underneath you in order to give him the support that he needs. If you know he doesn't always want to jump you want to be in the correct position with your legs in order to be able to correct him and give him the adjustments he needs right away.

For the oxer....it doesn't even look like you have your leg on during the approach. Seriously, what were you trying to accomplish by bringing him to the fence and then kicking him and pulling on his mouth? It's a honest question.. please answer it.

So you circled and brought him back to the fence and decided to run him over it? Your heel is up, you have no basis of control and you are just trying to run over the fence. If you know the horse has refused, get into a defensive seat, drive,don't pump crazily with your body. You were not prepared for that fence at all because of how you were riding towards it. You end up standing in your stirrups and hanging on your horses mouth.

When you go over a fence you need to fold at the hips, not stand in the stirrups and give a release. Going over most of the fences you plant your hands, after you flap them going towards the fence. Don't flap your arms, there isn't any reason to flap, unless you are some sort of bird.

No wonder that horse brought that fence down! If you didn't think he was going to jump it then why would you bring him back to the fence and start pushing him to go over it?!?! Then he refuses again and you bring him to the fence and kick more? Please tell me what you are trying to accomplish by this.

No wonder the horse doesn't want to jump with you, you ride off your hands and rush him to the fences while giving him no support what so ever.

Sorry, but I'm being honest, and it was hard to watch you ride that horse. You give him so many mixed signals and just run him around over all the fences yanking him around by his mouth. You need to go back to basics and learn how to give a horse support to and from the fence, and stick to cross rails for a while before going barreling around a course.
     
    08-14-2008, 04:17 PM
  #8
Weanling
Watching the video again, I'm surprised he didn't rear or buck you off. He's very tolerating of you. Just being honest
     
    08-14-2008, 04:57 PM
  #9
Foal
In all honesty, you should be doing a lot of flat work.
Do a lunge lesson. No stirrups, no reins. Learn to ride the flat before you jump.
     
    08-14-2008, 05:09 PM
  #10
Trained
Re: Jumping Lesson (Went bad :O)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vicizmax
When the horse falls on the jump, I know that's my fault. I didnt think he'd jump when standing right in front of it! So I wasnt holding him back.
Maybe there is a problem with the language barrier, but how can you say you didn't think he'd jump when at least twice in the video (I stopped watching after a while...) he was stopped in front of the jump and you were kicking him to go? And then when he does, you pull back on him???

I know very, very little about jumping, but I agree that you are not ready for jumping. At the very least with this horse, but I think with any. You don't look comfortable at all. It's rough, pulling, unbalanced. Go back to flat work and get that down perfect before you jump.
     

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