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post #1 of 16 Old 01-29-2011, 09:07 PM Thread Starter
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Jumping Position Critique Please?

So, I really, really, really need to work on my position! The horse I'm on is extremely long, and his jump is ridiculously weird to ride. I've been riding him for a few years so I'm pretty used to it, but my position is so much better on any other horses I ride, and I want to know how I can improve it on him . So please, critique away!

So sorry for the stretch! This is my first post and I'm still trying to figure this out...


Above, is a decent ish moment of the jump.


This is a worse picture...

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post #2 of 16 Old 01-29-2011, 09:12 PM
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Nice horse(: Pretty!

I think everything is nice, only you could be putting your heels down just a little bit more for me, but then again, your eventing now doing equitation! Also, for me, your back could also be a little more flat with a small arch.

Otherwise, good luck! Nice fences(:
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post #3 of 16 Old 01-29-2011, 09:16 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks so much! Ya, I've always wanted to have my back arched slightly over fences, but I can never get myself to do it while still keeping my leg under me
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Picture 1 is pretty good! You could come back and down into the saddle a little more though. Your knee appears to be off the knee role a little and your a tad too far out of the saddle. As for picture 2, everyone has bad jumps like this! But if this is how your position normally is, I would suggest going back to smaller jumps before doing something that big, especially on XC! Of course I am assuming that was just a bad jump because you look good in the first picture! It seems he got in too deep in the second picture and you compensated by jumping up his neck. This happens to everyone, but making a habit of it can cause a lot of problems for your horse, especially over this big of a jump!
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Thanks so much! Ya, I've always wanted to have my back arched slightly over fences, but I can never get myself to do it while still keeping my leg under me
I arch my back a little over fences and I do great in the equitation. You do eventing, right?
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Coming from an Eventer - to an Eventer :) I agree with equineeventer.

The 2nd pic - with CC fences, you definitely want to keep your horse infront of you, always. Those fences don't play around! You know this, especially since you are at Training Level. That Table looks Trainingish.

You want to close your angles, not open them.

For a real proper Critique - I would look to Maura, or Allison Finch.

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Coming from an Eventer - to an Eventer :) I agree with equineeventer.

The 2nd pic - with CC fences, you definitely want to keep your horse infront of you, always. Those fences don't play around! You know this, especially since you are at Training Level. That Table looks Trainingish.

You want to close your angles, not open them.

For a real proper Critique - I would look to Maura, or Allison Finch.

Okay, this helps a lot. Yea, the table is training, and can you explain closing my angles? Ya, I used to have a problem with not releasing enough, so I starting over compensating my throwing my body forward to soon, and popping back too soon, like. As he reaches the top of his bascule. My shoulders arent back enough, and all this makes for really awkward pictures. I just don't know how to make myself fix it on him.
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bumpp. I need majorr critique!
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If judging by the first picture with my untrained eye, I would say that you got just a little left behind, and don't have a very firm position.
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Hi, NH Jumper!

I like the first photo quite a bit; it shows good, solid fundamentals - soft, relaxed back, eye up, correctly executed intermediate release with a nice loop the the rein. Because I also looked at the second photo, when I go back to the first, I see the seeds of the jumping ahead problem. You are a little farther out of the tack than is necessary for the horse's long, flat jumping effort. Not actually jumping ahead in this photo, but I would rather see you close your hip angle and be over the middle of your saddle.

I would also like to see you refine your leg position a little by moving the stirrup out to the ball of your foot and angling the stirrup on your foot slightly, outside branch touching the little toe. This is the perfect compromise to allow for depth in your hell while still being secure. This stirrup position is more of a xc, defensive position, which is fine ... for xc. However, you do need to learn to adjust your stirrup position and leg for different situations and different phases - for schooling in the ring and for stadium, learn to wear your stirrup in the classic position.

In the second photo, we see little position problems become big ones: your heel has come up and your leg has rotated back, and you've jumped *way* ahead - your crotch is actually in front of the pommel. It's a good thing your horse appears to be an honest guy, because a stop, or even a peck or a chip, might have you on the ground. What saves you is that flat, relaxed back, focused eye, and generous, kind release.

As for your horse, I love his attitude, but his form needs work. In the first photo, he's jumping very long and flat, and not making much of an effort to fold neatly in front or back. His forearm is horizontal, so I'd say he's safe here, but not tidy.

In the second photo, I am trying to make allowance for 1.) that the photo was snapped early in the jumping arc and 2. You've jumped up his neck, but even considering those two things, his front end is....not good, with forearms pointed down at the ground and legs folded under the body, rather than up. This is the kind of form than can result in the horse catching a knee and flipping over the fence. I don't think that's a real risk in this photo, as he's giving the fence a lot of air, and he's a good guy who's trying hard. However, when tired, put into a fence wrong or at a maximum height fence, it becomes a concern. Less obvious but more concerning is his hind end - he is pushing off unevenly behind, instead of engaging both hind legs evenly. I am guessing that sometimes he jumps to the right over his fences? And that the pushing off unevenly is more pronounced when he's not allowed to take the long spot I'm guessing he prefers?

The good news is that grid work and gymnastics will help him tremendously. He needs to learn to wear his fences from a shorter distance, engage his hind evenly, and use his shoulder to pick up his front end, rather than jumping in a bigger arc to clear the fence. More good news is that the grid work and gymnastics will give you a perfect opportunity to polish your position; working on keeping your lower leg solidly under you and closing your hip angle and staying over the middle.

Overall, you're an athletic, sympathic rider with the potential to do more. Good luck to you!

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