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    10-01-2010, 08:46 PM
  #11
Foal
Thanks once again to everyone :)

Riding21Years: Oooh you're very welcome to critique my next videos too, if you can! And thanks alot for the help, however I have to disagree with the back thing a little, as I was told by my trainer to arch my back (well, it was more of a "tuck in your stomach and lift your back over the jumps", but perhaps I'm over doing at some points :b) However, I'm going to assume you ride in America, and of course I don't know this for a fact, but I've noticed that riders positions in the US are very different from what I see here in Europe, and Denmark.. I can understand your method with holding the whip behind my back, but that is really not what I am used to, nor has my trainer taught me this way.. :O But I just think its different methods.

However I will definitely try everything else you have suggested, and what everyone else has too..!

Thanks again ! :)
     
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    10-01-2010, 11:57 PM
  #12
Foal
Yes, I ride in America xD I have actually ridden in Denamrk, and was unaware that that was were you ride. Very sorry!

I critiqued your recent video, so disregard all of the back position critiques.

Sorry!
-Nikki
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Originally Posted by Vicizmax    
Thanks once again to everyone :)

Riding21Years: Oooh you're very welcome to critique my next videos too, if you can! And thanks alot for the help, however I have to disagree with the back thing a little, as I was told by my trainer to arch my back (well, it was more of a "tuck in your stomach and lift your back over the jumps", but perhaps I'm over doing at some points :b) However, I'm going to assume you ride in America, and of course I don't know this for a fact, but I've noticed that riders positions in the US are very different from what I see here in Europe, and Denmark.. I can understand your method with holding the whip behind my back, but that is really not what I am used to, nor has my trainer taught me this way.. :O But I just think its different methods.

However I will definitely try everything else you have suggested, and what everyone else has too..!

Thanks again ! :)
     
    10-05-2010, 08:52 PM
  #13
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Riding21Years    
If you ever need anymore help, I've been jumping for 21 years, now I compete and judge jumping, so please, if you need critique, here is mine:

Maura, you are very wise, for I agree on most all of what she said, as a judge, I'm nit picky and just have a few more details.

When in a competition, put your hair up into your helemt, so it's not slapping your back. You will look more put together and professional in the ring. Your clothing is perfect, and matches your horse, big bonus points in the ring!!
There are no "points" in jumping.

I agree that work without stirrups. You should never rely on your stirrups to hold your leg in, you should rely on your knees being closed on the saddle, and your grip throughout your leg. Your grip on your knee should contribute to your knee being closed on the saddle. Never, ever grip with your knee. That is what most of my showers and students get marked down on. Jumpers don't get judged.
You are flying tremendously more out of the saddle then nessacary, and this will cause you problems later. You are arching your back a bit, remember, jumpers are jumpers, not jockeys. Try putting a crop on your back and jumping. It will hurt if your back is arched, if your back is flat, you won't feel it. I use this with all my students who like to watch racing more then jumping, and they get over the arch within a day. It's a great help, and even I used it.

You have an amazing pace, and your horse trusts you, if you were in one of my classes, you would have passed with flying colors. You and your horse have a bond, which can boot up your scores. No show, no judge, anywhere will "bump up your scores" due to "having a bond." You do need to work on those bends however. Remember to use your full arena. Jumpers use the shortest route possible, not "use the whole arena." Once you get into higher jumps, and you need to hand gallop, using your arena will be your best friend. Cutting your corners will get you a sloppy ride. Jumpers are all about cutting corners, and learning to do it well.

Overall, your ride looks amazing, you should be very proud of yourself. :)
-Nikki
There is a lot of misinformation in the above post; I feel that I did need to come in here and post my arguments.
     
    10-05-2010, 08:58 PM
  #14
Foal
There is a lot of "off" information in ALL of Riding21's posts... In the entire forum! It's OK to get passer by opinions on a forum, but please consult your trainer at home in the living world before believing just anyone.
     
    10-05-2010, 09:06 PM
  #15
Weanling
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Originally Posted by DunAsYouWish    
There is a lot of "off" information in ALL of Riding21's posts... In the entire forum! It's OK to get passer by opinions on a forum, but please consult your trainer at home in the living world before believing just anyone.
Riding21Years has offered some very dangerous advice to some posters. Taking advice off of any internet source should be taken with a grain of salt, but there is a wealth of knowledge out there, as long as you know where to look and who to trust. Unfortunately, some people can appear to be knowledgable as they can talk big, but really have not even the first clue; problem is that to someone who doesn't know better, the big talk can seem like ligitimate advice.
     
    10-09-2010, 02:14 PM
  #16
Foal
Mmm I think you should close more your toes and bring down your hands.
(:
I like your horse so much,he seems powerful.He springs up!

(sorry if I did some mistakes with the expression,i'm italian.)
     
    10-09-2010, 05:39 PM
  #17
Foal
I think I may have as many questions as I do critiques. Firstly, I was happy to see that you're a european rider, because the first thought I had when watching your video was that you had a ride similar (but not entirely like) Michael Jung, who just won the individual gold in eventing @ WEG, (I think he rides a bit harder into a lower frame.) and I was curious just how european your trainer was. :o)

I feel like my critique/question lies in one of the greater dissimilarities between your rides- hip angle. As Maura mentioned, you do tend to stand and maintain more open angles throughout. Also as she stated, I agree on trying a shorter stirrup. My question I think results from your hip angle in particular. (This may get crazy right now, but I'm very interested in how someone's erm..conformation affects their ride.) I had this thought throughout the video, and had it nearly confirmed at the fence where you got left. (I'd give anything for a side-view of that fence! Lol) My question is: I wonder if you are not particularly flexible through your hip--tight hamstrings, etc. Particularly, how close you can come to touching your toes while maintaining a flat back. (this isolates your hip joint.)

I had a friend who had a very tight hip joint, so much so that it was hard for her to sit on the floor with her legs at a 90 degree angle to her body. She had a VERY similar ride stylistically. She was also repeatedly told to shorten her stirrups, which led to a bad case of jumping ahead as her hip joint physically couldn't compensate with a tighter angle. It's this lack of an ability to compensate that I'm hypothesizing is, not the reason why, but the reason you got left behind how you did--very upright.

So like I said, this may be hyper-focused and more questions than critiques and I could be totally wrong and all of this could be fixed by a stirrup hole. However, I can't help myself but to ask, and to offer that my friend I mentioned above improved greatly with simple stretching.

You can all call me crazy now
     
    10-09-2010, 06:05 PM
  #18
Super Moderator
You have received much good advise.....and some very bad.

I will offer little more, at this point. Yes, shorten the stirrups a bit. You have a very loose leg and you often grab the horse with the back of your heels. This "unwraps" the rest of your leg, making it so loose. By grabbing with your heels, it makes it very difficult to loosen your ankle so that it can sink into the stirrup. As a result, you are often standing on your toes and have the stirrup way back on your foot.

You need to wrap your entire leg around the horse, but GRAB nowhere. There is more contact on the inside of your calf (not ever the back unless you are engaging a spur briefly). Only then will you have a leg independent enough to sink into the stirrup. This flexible ankle is where much of your upper body security will come from.

When your leg improves, you will be better able to flex your upper body forward so that you can flow better with your horses movement. Now, I suspect if you try to flex forward you will "topple" forward and lose your lower leg completely.

Hope this helps.


I would trot around in the two point and work on stretching down into the stirrup. Stretch until that leg burns!! LOL!
     
    10-10-2010, 08:06 AM
  #19
Foal
macktheknife: Wow I never actually thought of that..! I have to admit that I am not the most flexible person xD I can't touch my toes just straight up, if I do some stretches first, I am able to kinda touch my toes.. :/ Hmm I wonder if it would help if I did stretches before my jumping lesson..! I think I actually might try that, haha..!
And my trainer is completely European, hehe, I live in Denmark and the trainer has been licensed/taught/trained in Denmark too.

And everyone else, thank you for the critique..! :)
Of course I realize that sometimes critique is given which I feel I can't use or I feel is really good, but I wont be saying who I think is right or not as I'm obviously not in a position to do that..! :b But I can always try it if I think it sounds reasonable, and then see if it help or not..

But thanks!
     

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