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post #1 of 15 Old 10-05-2011, 05:08 PM Thread Starter
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Talking LOL *sorta* Jumping Crit?

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YES, western saddle. LOLLL. I like to just ride around the yard, and decided that to spice it up I'd make the most redneck jump anyone had ever seen with lawn chairs and logs. It's short enough Indie walks over it... so it was really just for fun, and working on getting our timing right before trying bigger jumps. We've never taken lessons for it before, it was mostly learned on the trail when we came across logs and ditches.

But I wanted to know if anyone thought my form was good enough to look into doing ones slightly higher? Indie is no jumper, it's nothing serious... we just need a little spice to our routine. If we do decide to do higher ones then I'd be going bareback :)

You are welcome to point out the western saddle and my lack of helmet... but I won't grace it with an answer. Might lol though




These are ones we did last year.






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WESTERN SADDLE AND LACK OF HELMET!

No just kidding

Alright you have a little bit of work to do before you look into higher jumps, but don't get discouraged. Practice makes perfect!

First: HEELS- DOWNNNNNN. (I'm trying to imitate the way my instructors say it through text. I don't know if I'm doing it right though lol ).

You have a hunched back. Your back should be arched and your shoulders should be back.

I can't tell if your riding in a halter and rope or bridle, but your release looks ok in the first picture but non-existant in the older ones.

Watch your leg position. In the first picture it's just a tad back in the older ones it's way too far back. It almost looks like you're gripping with your knees but I may be wrong.

Your two-point could use a bit of work other than the things I already stated. Bareback and Western aren't the best friends of two-point, though, so I understand why it wouldn't be the best.

Good luck and practice that two-point!
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Please make sure your horse has a ground line when jumping. Also, any "filler" you can put in your jump makes in 10x easier for the horse. The first jump is a bit unsafe.. The "pole" could drag down a chair and things could get hairy.

Other than that, at least you are looking up! I know it is hard to jump in a western saddle, I remember doing it when I was about 8 years old. I also had a roach back, I wonder if it has to do with the western saddle?

What a good horse going in a halter for you :)
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How I learned how to jump <3 lol.

Anyhow I LOVE how you are jumping in a halter and not using a bridle, so you won't catch your horse in the mouth. Very good. But I don't have much else to say, a western saddle and bareback do not in any way help you get into any sort of two point you have to arch your back to avoid getting stabbed with the horn, and bareback you pretty much do all you can just to hold on.

Only thing I can suggest while you're not riding with an english saddle is work on your release, get your hands even, up and forward so you hands are on the sides of your horse's crest. You could have done that in both of these instances. Other wise your going to have flapping hands (first picture) or catching your horse in the mouth when you do put a bit in (second and third picture)

I would overall suggest bareback if you don't have an english saddle, work on gripping with your upper calves while keeping your back straight then only bending at the waist while two pointing. Even though it is very hard you can lift yourself up and two point, its a good muscle workout. ;-P

Good luck.
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I love that last scene in the original True Grit where John Wayne jumps his horse over the picket fence of the graveyard, saying, "Well come see a fat man jump!" (or was that "fly"?)
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Oh wow thanks for the reply guys!! I'm going to answer everyone individually, but I wanted to say as a whole I think I see what I am doing wrong now... and will work on fixing it.

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WESTERN SADDLE AND LACK OF HELMET!

No just kidding

Alright you have a little bit of work to do before you look into higher jumps, but don't get discouraged. Practice makes perfect!

First: HEELS- DOWNNNNNN. (I'm trying to imitate the way my instructors say it through text. I don't know if I'm doing it right though lol ).

You have a hunched back. Your back should be arched and your shoulders should be back.

I can't tell if your riding in a halter and rope or bridle, but your release looks ok in the first picture but non-existant in the older ones.

Watch your leg position. In the first picture it's just a tad back in the older ones it's way too far back. It almost looks like you're gripping with your knees but I may be wrong.

Your two-point could use a bit of work other than the things I already stated. Bareback and Western aren't the best friends of two-point, though, so I understand why it wouldn't be the best.

Good luck and practice that two-point!
I never noticed my heels before!! LOL, and it's something I always get on my little riders about when riding *facepalm* I see the release issue now... but it has gotten better since last year (even though all I noticed was we were landing better )... and yes I always grip with my knees more than I do with stirrups... it comes from years of barebacking it when I was too lazy to lift that saddle up, I suppose that doesn't work quite the same when jumping. Thank you for the encouragment, it means a lot!

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Please make sure your horse has a ground line when jumping. Also, any "filler" you can put in your jump makes in 10x easier for the horse. The first jump is a bit unsafe.. The "pole" could drag down a chair and things could get hairy.

Other than that, at least you are looking up! I know it is hard to jump in a western saddle, I remember doing it when I was about 8 years old. I also had a roach back, I wonder if it has to do with the western saddle?

What a good horse going in a halter for you :)

You can't see it in the picture, but the lawn chairs are actually broken at the arm rests from the kids horse playing on them. When Indie hit the log (and it did happen a few times) the log was just knocked off. I always make sure the pole can fall off if it must, not worth risking an injury. Thanks!!!

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Anyhow I LOVE how you are jumping in a halter and not using a bridle, so you won't catch your horse in the mouth. Very good. But I don't have much else to say, a western saddle and bareback do not in any way help you get into any sort of two point you have to arch your back to avoid getting stabbed with the horn, and bareback you pretty much do all you can just to hold on.

Only thing I can suggest while you're not riding with an english saddle is work on your release, get your hands even, up and forward so you hands are on the sides of your horse's crest. You could have done that in both of these instances. Other wise your going to have flapping hands (first picture) or catching your horse in the mouth when you do put a bit in (second and third picture)

I would overall suggest bareback if you don't have an english saddle, work on gripping with your upper calves while keeping your back straight then only bending at the waist while two pointing. Even though it is very hard you can lift yourself up and two point, its a good muscle workout. ;-P
I spent a lot of time comparing your comment to the two pictures, and I am pretty sure I see what you mean. Yes, I use the halter as much as I can- specially when trying things I know that I am not good at and may tug on accident I'm sure Indie apprechiates it LOL. I'm doing some research on what exactly the two-point is (I have a good idea, but have, obviously, never done it..so this should be interesting.), and will be doing some practice bareback. Thank you sooooooooo much for the detail, it was a world of help.

I might try again tomorrow and have some pictures taken and posted and see if those are any better Love the advice you guys!! You're all so helpful
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I love that last scene in the original True Grit where John Wayne jumps his horse over the picket fence of the graveyard, saying, "Well come see a fat man jump!" (or was that "fly"?)
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You look quite good, actually. If I were to picture an english saddle under you it would show you to be in a decent position. Is it equitation ready? Not yet.....I do jumpers and eventing so pretty is as pretty does.

I'm not going to add in the bareback, but focus on the one with the saddle. Your lower leg has slipped back a bit, but is still in a usable position. I suspect that the longer stirrup length is as much to blame as knee grabbing. Due to the too long stirrup length, You probably CAN'T put more weight into your heels, allowing them to drop down. If you could get your heels down, your position would be much more secure.

I like the fact that you are flowing nicely with your horse without being so far forward that you have to rest on your hands to balance yourself. Heck, if you got too low, that horn would gouge you. I'm glad that, since you have both reins in one hand, that you have slipped any contact.

All in all....not bad at all. Bareback will teach you more bad habits than good. I'm sure you might find an english saddle you can borrow. If not, shorten your stirrups in your western saddle before you try anything bigger. You need to be able to get up and out of that saddle and maybe flex lower with your upper body to go over larger obstacles. That will also allow you to put more weight into your lower leg.
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You look quite good, actually. If I were to picture an english saddle under you it would show you to be in a decent position. Is it equitation ready? Not yet.....I do jumpers and eventing so pretty is as pretty does.

I'm not going to add in the bareback, but focus on the one with the saddle. Your lower leg has slipped back a bit, but is still in a usable position. I suspect that the longer stirrup length is as much to blame as knee grabbing. Due to the too long stirrup length, You probably CAN'T put more weight into your heels, allowing them to drop down. If you could get your heels down, your position would be much more secure.

I like the fact that you are flowing nicely with your horse without being so far forward that you have to rest on your hands to balance yourself. Heck, if you got too low, that horn would gouge you. I'm glad that, since you have both reins in one hand, that you have slipped any contact.

All in all....not bad at all. Bareback will teach you more bad habits than good. I'm sure you might find an english saddle you can borrow. If not, shorten your stirrups in your western saddle before you try anything bigger. You need to be able to get up and out of that saddle and maybe flex lower with your upper body to go over larger obstacles. That will also allow you to put more weight into your lower leg.
Thank you for the honesty and the nice words, makes me feel confident that not all is lost
I live in the country, and to be honest I have never in my six years here seen an English rider on any of our groups... they don't even have a lot of the *english* tack at our feed/hardware store. So I'll have to make due until the far off day I have the money for a play saddle for jumping I do have a spare western though... I'll try jacking those stirrups up a bit and seeing if that can help my posture any. Thank you again, I'll do my best to put your advice into play.
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I've got a synthetic english saddle you can have for free if you can figure out how to un-bend the mutilated stirrup bar that was practically pulled off the saddle when we got hung up on a tree out in the trails once. It's useless to me, but it's all yours if you want to practice jumping in a more normal position.

You just have to see your distance...you don't have to like it.
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