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post #11 of 22 Old 07-09-2009, 09:59 PM
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Wow, there is definitely alot of improvement coming! Keep up the good work!!!

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post #12 of 22 Old 07-09-2009, 10:10 PM
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Wow. That's amazing. Mail me your magic touch!

Beautiful horse!

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post #13 of 22 Old 07-10-2009, 12:00 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks guys, I'm just concerned about his weight. My BO said he skinny and he is the only one who is not getting that summer weight. But I ride him 4/5 a week all the other horses are QH or mustanges and SIT so its not Hero's fault

I'm going to get him a stronger worming paste the next time around, teeth are getting done too so hope that helps.

I really wouldnt say he is skinny anymore just lacking muscle were its needed.
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post #14 of 22 Old 07-10-2009, 03:49 PM
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I fed my horse Cool Calories to help her to gain some weight. It's great because it helped her put on weight without making her hot. She's always had a good coat but it did help her coat too. Might be something to look into.
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post #15 of 22 Old 07-13-2009, 02:18 AM
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he looks heaps better you have done such a good job with him you should be very proud
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post #16 of 22 Old 07-13-2009, 05:55 AM
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I think you missed the point about how your horse is building incorrect muscle.

Pulling his head into what seems 'correct' is the reason why he is building incorrect muscle.

'He is just getting used to this tighter contact.'

Contact is NOT something you take--Contact is NOT MADE by shortening the reins and pulling back on his mouth. This is one of the reasons he's hot--you have a grip on those reins and a flash to prevent him from getting ANY leeway from the bit at all. Contact is not used to prevent a horse from going faster!

Lose the flash. Lose the tight contact.

Correct contact is when the horse takes up the slack in the reins. Do you see how this would be different? You are pulling him into a frame to try and 'force' him to work correctly--instead, he is bracing himself against you, which is creating and making his upside down neck look worse with work. Dressage--and proper flatwork--is first done with relaxation. And you don't get that by pulling back on the reins, and 'framing him up'.

I have my own hot chestnut TB, who I used to ride the VERY same way--and I'll show you some before and after pictures to show you the difference correct work has on a horse:


He looks okay here, but note how everything looks 'angular'. His rump looks square-ish and his body is just full of sharp angles. He was in work for several months, being worked 5 days a week, at the time of that photo.


Doesn't even look like the same horse, does it? He is getting less feed that is of a lesser quality then the photo above, less hay, less WORK, but the work is CORRECT. Here is a photo of him under saddle, working on long and low (something that would benefit your horse BEYOND words):

I have a couple of how-to posts on my blog about getting a very hot, forward horse to relax and start taking up correct contact, and working in long and low frames. If this sounds like something you'd be interested in reading, I'll dig up the links for those specific posts. Calming a horse down and getting them to seek the contact is a bit of a 'novel' to post on a forum, so I'd rather just ferry you over to somewhere where I HAVE written it. :)

Your boy has a long way to go, but don't think that having a calm, relaxed, and responsive horse is impossible just because he's 'hot'. 'Hot' is just a state of nervousness and imbalance--fix those things and he'll be right as rain--AND building the right muscles.

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post #17 of 22 Old 07-13-2009, 09:42 AM
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Mayfieldk- I wouldn't mind seeing those links. My boy used to work correctly but not anymore (too many rides by the parents) I no longer take lessons on him since I got my new horse, so I would love advice on getting him to work correctly again and relax. Thanks!
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post #18 of 22 Old 07-13-2009, 09:55 AM Thread Starter
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I know he doesn't do it correctly I'm getting mixed advice from everyone. I had a trainer come out and said hands up and tighter contact.
So thats what I have been doing.

But last night I rode him where he was comfortable.
VERY loose rein, pushing him in from the inside and turning the key his neck was out and stretched.

So that is how I will work him, it was a one time thing with that trainer so that was all that was in my head.

I want hero to build the proper muscles - this is my first horse and I take in all consideration a little to much i think. His neck was just sagging when i got him and all the muscles were underneath
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post #19 of 22 Old 07-14-2009, 04:25 AM
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May I just say... you are a FANTASTIC rider!! . I have seen some famous riders.. that are great.. and some normal people that are better.. and you are like them! .. Great work, you have brought him a long way from what he was.

Nothing lasts forever, so live it up, drink it down and laugh it up..

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post #20 of 22 Old 07-16-2009, 04:16 PM
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wow you guys look really good :)
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