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post #11 of 24 Old 12-12-2010, 11:54 AM Thread Starter
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I was waiting for someone to come into the thread and really grill me on what the heck I was thinking of doing. Good thing you came along, Last Unicorn. ;)

The Game Plan:
My mom, sister and I are going into this on a joint sort of thing. However the main intent is for the foal to be largely my responsibility. My intent will be to keep the foal and train it primarily in dressage, though perhaps also doing some trail riding and minor jumping. In terms of improving on her, the biggest thing I'd like is a little more height. As such, I've been looking at some of the taller studs available.

Mare's Worthiness:
She has competed and done well in dressage in the past. She was also ridden in eventing for a while, though none of this has been super recent as competition has never really been one of our priorities. Panache is a registered Welsh Cob Section C and has largely imported and very well recognized bloodlines. I'm not sure if you're familiar with Welsh bloodlines and their significance, but she has Nebo, Parc Welsh, and she's registered Gallod... all of which are well recognized lines. The foal will of course be registered. Youngsters with similar bloodlines that I've been looking at are being sold for anywhere from $6,000 to $10,000 without any training beyond basic groundwork, so the foal should be perfectly marketable if something should cause us to sell it.

I recognize that they aren't the very greatest pictures. I'll try to get some better ones soon, but it's very challenging to get her to stand square. We've been doing all that we can to keep her weight down (soaking hay, grazing muzzle). Now that winter has rolled around she's doing better. She hasn't got any kinkiness in her knee (it's a weird camera angle) and has always been very sound. I feel that her potential can be better seen when she's in action. She has a nice length of stride (doesn't move like a pony despite being one) and can really move out.

More pictures of her can be seen here:
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They aren't great conformation critique shots though. As I said, I'll try to get some better ones.
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post #12 of 24 Old 12-12-2010, 06:57 PM
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Thanks... that actually does help.

With your goal in mind, I think I like the second stallion better for your mare... of course better photos of her might change that.

What I really like about the second stallion that he's a bit shorter through the loin than your mare (the first stallion looks like he's about the same as her... at least from the photos presented of both of them). The second stallion is a little lighter framed, but I don't think you risk losing too much bone as your mare is pretty solid herself.

I also like his neck better - the first stallion has a shorter, thicker neck from the looks of things, not what I, personally, would cross with your mare - who also seems to have a bit of a short thick neck. While neither your mare or the first stallion are "too" much so - I think you might get better balance from the second stallion.

Both are nice looking boys, I doubt you'd go seriously wrong regardless of which you chose.... Overall though, I do think that second stallion would bring more of a dressage "image" to the foal than the first stally. I quite like the Welshies - very solid athletes!
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post #13 of 24 Old 01-30-2011, 07:26 PM
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i like them both for color but i think #2 will give you a flashy foal

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post #14 of 24 Old 01-31-2011, 02:59 PM
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In all honesty, even tho you have a plan I would not breed this mare (based on her photos). She has a steep shoulder and a long back and she stands too straight behind (toes should point out slightly as the hind leg is actually a spiral). Her photo jumping shows her limitations physically (she is not round, her steep shoulder prevents her from getting tight in front so he knees drop below level).

That being said, (and most people do not listen.. they are going to breed anyway) I would want to see the PROGENY of the stallions to see if the shorter coupled stallion tended to pass that on. I would want to see what the prepotency of each is. Some stallions will tend to give you specific traits in off spring (they are that prepotent).

The point of breeding is to improve what you have and while these stallions LOOK good, you need to know what their babies look like.
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I respectfully disagree with your assessment of my mare, Elana. Particularly on the point of having a long back. I do not believe that this is the case. Perhaps my pictures were not of a good enough quality to really represent her. I've dug up another photo that I feel shows her back actually tends towards the shorter side of things, and her shoulder is at an acceptable angle (though I don't know as much about the shoulder slope as I do about long backs). I do know however that one of the effects of a steep shoulder is a short choppy stride, and she most certainly has none of this. She moves more like a larger horse and has a rocking horse type canter. Her hind toes are slightly angled out in this photo as well.

She is not round in the jumping photo because I was intentionally giving her her head at the time and riding on a relatively loose rein. Her previous owner had been forcing her into a headset going over jumps previously and I had to go to the opposite extreme to avoid triggering her tendency to rush the jumps and take them too hard and fast. Also consider that the photo may have been taken not as she was reaching the peak of her tightness in jumping form, but as she was just beginning to "unfurl" her legs in preparation for landing.

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Your girl is lovely, and for your intended goal, I would go with the second stallion.
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post #17 of 24 Old 03-20-2011, 07:19 PM
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I would definately say the second stallion. You have a very nice mare! It's nice to see someone who is thinking about breeding a horse that actually has alot of potential. Just seeing all of these backyard horses being bred all the time irritates me.

Good luck! Not that you will need it, because either way you should have an amazing creature! Well, another amazing creature. ^^
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post #18 of 24 Old 03-20-2011, 08:10 PM
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That photo is soo much more flattering.
I would go with the second stallin as well.
Are you intending on breeding this year or next year? Did i skip over completely or how old is your girl?

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We keep bouncing back and forth in terms of whether or not we're actually going to breed her. Probably not this year... possibly next year. She's 12 year old or so now, I actually can't remember exactly. This wouldn't be her first foal though, she was bred before we bought her a time or two.
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post #20 of 24 Old 03-20-2011, 08:58 PM
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do you know what her previouse foals look like/how they're doing? That might be something to look into. Especially if you know the foal's sires.

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