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    07-30-2011, 12:11 AM
Green Broke
Me again :D !!

Ok me again hoping for some more opinions and to see if I have improved at all. I think I have gotten a bit better but I'm not consistent. This is just walk and trot stuff. I know I'm leaning forward a bit and my feet need to come back a bit. I also think my elbows are off though I can't put my finger on it. I have been trying really hard to ride correctly and I have been trying to get sammy to work properly. So critque/ tips for me? Also any critique on Sammy? Does he look like he is even starting to work properly? I have been trying to get him to work properly and I have been feeling it a bit more often lately. When I first got him he just ran clearly on his forehand with his head in the air like a giraffe. Thanks. Oh sorry for the cruddy pics my sister took them, and the size/ amount of them.

(In some pictures it looks like I'm reefing on his mouth but he was chucking his head around a bit during the ride.
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    07-30-2011, 04:28 AM
Green Broke
Bump :)
    07-30-2011, 06:03 AM
I'm not the best one to critique since I have soo many mistakes myself but I'll give my best.

For me the best picture is the 4th one. Your horse seems to be on balance, you are not grabbing him from the mouth.
In general you need to work with your leg since it should be a bit more back as you guessd yourself. You don't lean froward but I think you fall a bit forward because you look down. I can't be sure but I can guess from the 7th picture. There is no need to look at the horse. Feel it. By looking down at your horse your body leans forward but in this way you also affect the horse so he will be more on his forehand. The second key is to roll the sholder back. Think tall =)

I still think that your hands are the biggest problem. You are holding him too mutch. Give him space from the front. Don't let him loose just give him more room. At the moment it seems you are holding him in the shape you want and not giving him freedom he needs. Most of the work is done wiht your leg and body movements. Wear gloves. Even if it seems like a little thign it makes a difference. It still does from me. I never ride my youngster without gloves cause I know I get too rough from the front then. Bring your elbows a bit more closer to you.

I can't be sure wht happend on the 2 and 3 picture but this is something you deffenitly want to avoid.

And I can say I see the improvement =) For me it's in your hands the most. They still need work but mine needed 2 years re-trainign and I am still not happy with them.
    07-30-2011, 06:28 AM
Green Broke
Thanks a lot I will definitely keep that in mind when I ride tomorrow. I nearly always come away from a ride thinking of things I personally could have done better.

This is no excuse but it is the main reason for why I do it. Sammy is very rushy it may not look it in the photos because he was pretty good today but he rushes a lot and generally is very forward. I have a bad habit of grabbing at him and not giving him his head because the moment you give him loose rein he sometimes just speeds up. We are getting better about it though. Everytime I ride him and he speeds up I have to stop and think to use my seat etc and not my hands. I also think you gave a better description of me 'leaning'. I don't look down as much as the pictures make it look but I do tend to look down if he trips or something which he before one or two of those pictures. I suppose its not so much leaning forward, its more hunching my shoulders so I appear to be leaning forward. It is a bad habit I am trying to break.

Anyone else?
    07-30-2011, 01:03 PM
I think it could help to bring your feet back a bit. Just a little more under your tush. You have what people around my area call a chair seat. As in your sitting in a chair legs more under knees than tush. But I'm not an expert! I was just always told invisible line from shoulders hip to heel. They should be under one another.
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    07-30-2011, 01:06 PM
Sorry I sped read. You already guessed that -_- my apologies. Yes your forward because you gave to to get your upper body over your feet. Again chair. Think squatting, you can stand straight up because your upper body (shoulder)is above your feet. Now thing sitting in a chair. You can't just stand up, gotta lean forward to get your shoulder closer in line with your knee.
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    07-30-2011, 03:54 PM
I will quote Allison Finch here: "Light Hands, Light Horse"

You look to me like you balance on your hands and thus on your horses mouth.
    07-30-2011, 05:18 PM
Green Broke
Thanks everyone I really need to learn to trust him more and give him his head. It's a bad habit I'm trying to break.
    07-30-2011, 11:44 PM
Hi apache,

About the chair seat; my guess is that since that is more of a stock seat saddle, from what I can see, it will be really , really hard for you to keep your leg under you. You might be able to bring it back, but once you get moving, it will want to move forward due to the place where the leathers and stirrup bar are situated.
All in all, you sit rather nicely and have a good lower leg. I don't see all that much looking downward , myself, and you have a nice upright upper body. Hands are getting a lot better!

Use Sammys desire to rush . YOu WANT lots of impulsion. I realize that rushing forward in a "falling on the forehand" freefall isn't what you want, but you work toward shaping that. If you try to slow him too much, you have nothing to shape. You work , little by little to get a bit of bend in his body first. He looks to be really stiff and has a neck that indicates a long time of moving in a defensive and braced position. I would advise you to work a lot on getting him to reach downward and forward to counteract the large lower neck muscle that he has developed.

Also, do more lateral bending on him. The more supple he is laterally, the softer he can be longitudinally.
    07-31-2011, 12:49 AM
Green Broke
Thanks the saddle definitely doesn't help my position. Also I have been working with him a lot on bending etc. He has gotten a lot better. When I first got him he was extremely stiff and bracey. He simply went as fast as he could with his head in the air, then would stiffly whip around to go in the other direction. He didn't even know the meaning of a nice circle. I am very happy with how much he has improved, considering my not so helpful riding.

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