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post #1 of 10 Old 06-12-2012, 04:44 PM Thread Starter
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A Month Comparison

So I posted a video about a month ago of me and Rodeo out in the arena. I made a few changes, using a different bit, a full cheek snaffle, and I really like it. He's much more responsive, and doesnt sit there chewing on it all day, it also fits his mouth much better!

So here is the ride from last month.


And here is the ride from 5days ago.
Pics from the ride....





So....thoughts? Critique? Tips?

Im beginning to think that he is looking more and more of an English horse than he is Western, what do you think?

Thanks so much!

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post #2 of 10 Old 06-12-2012, 07:50 PM
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I would put him on full slack of the reins except for direct commands or if you are going to begin on collection. Keeping direct contact all the time will "micromanage" him.
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I agree, I wouldn't use full contact yet.

What a difference though :)

A few things that could affect him. In the first few seconds of the older video, I see the rein go loose TIGHT loose TIGHT. You need to follow with your arms so he doesn't get jabs in his mouth and start evading the bit (with or without contact)

And I still see it in the new vid. If you want to not move your arms, you need western reins as these are too short and you're reaching a lot.

If you do move your arms, they need to be smooth and follow your seat. If you do this, the bit would jab him in the mouth and he'll move a lot more forward with a natural swing to his body.

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I would put him on full slack of the reins except for direct commands or if you are going to begin on collection. Keeping direct contact all the time will "micromanage" him.
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I agree, I wouldn't use full contact yet.

What a difference though :)

A few things that could affect him. In the first few seconds of the older video, I see the rein go loose TIGHT loose TIGHT. You need to follow with your arms so he doesn't get jabs in his mouth and start evading the bit (with or without contact)

And I still see it in the new vid. If you want to not move your arms, you need western reins as these are too short and you're reaching a lot.

If you do move your arms, they need to be smooth and follow your seat. If you do this, the bit would jab him in the mouth and he'll move a lot more forward with a natural swing to his body.

Thanks to both of you!! Sky, I think your def right on that the reins are far too short!!! Some days they seem like they work, and other days I just feel like I can't give him enough rein! Thanks again!
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If you do move your arms, they need to be smooth and follow your seat. If you do this, the bit *wouldn't jab him in the mouth and he'll move a lot more forward with a natural swing to his body.
GRRR, typo made that post contradicting. My mistake.

But yes, follow with your arms (English), or get longer reins :P

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On the rein issue: I find split reins are best with greenies, you can give and take as much rein as you want.

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I just ordered some fabric splits for Sky and his lessee.. they only cost me $12 and they're cotton and have amazing reviews.

Royal King Braided Flat Cotton Split Reins - Horse.com

I'm planning on having them dyed eventually too :)
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GRRR, typo made that post contradicting. My mistake.

But yes, follow with your arms (English), or get longer reins :P
No worries, I got what you were saying 100%!

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On the rein issue: I find split reins are best with greenies, you can give and take as much rein as you want.
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I just ordered some fabric splits for Sky and his lessee.. they only cost me $12 and they're cotton and have amazing reviews.

Royal King Braided Flat Cotton Split Reins - Horse.com

I'm planning on having them dyed eventually too :)
Ill def look into those split reins! These reins Im riding with now are the flat cotton 7ft reins, but I honestly feel like he doesnt have any....I think it may be that I am used to having contact majority of the time.

Besides that, are we looking okay? I feel like there is an obvious improvement in the past month I have been riding him, but to be honest we are still doing the basic walk work, and I think we have had only three days where trotting was even attempted....as for his head carriage, is it just me or does it seem high? As he has gotten older, his head carriage has gotten higher and higher....
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I think longer rope reins (single rein) will be best. That way, you can completely drop one rein when you pick up the other , say, for a disengagement or what ever, and the reins will stay on the neck. No chance of losing one of them.

I agree that you have too much kind of "gray" contact with him. Meaning, you have contact but it's not super clear why. Using one rein at a time with him might work better to help him clue into the meaning of a rein, but having two acting on him will give him something to brace against. You could also try a little bit of just asking him to move forward without much guidance of his direction, to see how he handles just moving out , forward.

I thought your rode beautifully and were very patient and calm.


ETA with regard to the head carriage. It didnt' look high to me, but then I am not a WP rider. He did raise his head during your request for back up and a couple of other times, and you don't want to "pull' him down by lowering your hands. YOu can follow him up with your hands and if you want him to lower his head, keep a soft contact until you feel him drop his nose , then release. But, other than him raising it out of frustration and confusion, you probably don't need to worry aobut his head location for some time.

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I think just because of the jabbing, but it's alright he will settle back down soon if you continue to work with him. It took my horse (retraining not starting fresh) over 5 months to work on coming down because he was used to being up. It won't take that long I can assure you.

How do you cue him for turns? And the trot cue?

The more walking you put him in, the better for him at this moment. Lots of bending and weaving should be your goal. You want him bendy bendy and not bracing or tense at all :)

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I think longer rope reins (single rein) will be best. That way, you can completely drop one rein when you pick up the other , say, for a disengagement or what ever, and the reins will stay on the neck. No chance of losing one of them.
You do know you can tie split reins together, right? :P That's what we're planning on doing since we cannot afford to lose reins on Sky lol.. that would be a disaster.

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