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    06-22-2012, 07:07 PM
  #11
Green Broke
Here is the link to last weeks ride on video. Do you see any bit of improvement? Lol
Also turns out I wont be riding in the clinic on the 5th :( oh well

New & Improved, Ollie is learning so much!
     
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    06-22-2012, 10:41 PM
  #12
Weanling
Okay, well ill critique this because it sounds like you really want some feedback. My thought on why you may not be getting much is because you have said in another post you have an injury you are working with and that affects your leg. And anyone watching who is paying attention can see what youíre doing with your horse and why you are doing it and what your result is. And itís not bad.

To pick it apart your leg move a lot (but you said you have an injury) and you have wide hands and look like you keep bumping your horse on the side to move him forward. So my guess if you want him to be collected and moving forward from behind?

IF this is right I would suggest riding with a whip to give him a tap to get him going so you donít have to constantly ask. My dressage coach would say to be ďthink forward, imagine yourself moving forward, and visualize itĒ And when you take the leg off most of the time they will be more forward then constantly asking them to move off of it. Also you look down, very common everyone wants to see what their horse is doing lol. When I rode dressage I was guilty of that 80% of the time. So try to look up a bit more to get the feel of whatís going on under you.

Dressage is SO hard to critique because itís all on YOU and your movements/ your horses. Its not judges based on x, y, z with someoneís opinions of how you did the movement (hunter ex.) itís about a test you do and there is a set standard for the levels. (I have never seen anyone protest in a dressage test)

Itís very hard for me to give any critique because I have been out of dressage for a while and I donít think I would be in any place to tell you what to work on. But I think I can see what youíre trying to do. Do you know of the training scale? Work with that to make personal goals for yourself. To me dressage was such a personal thing, I would never ask other to critique because you can always do better but unless you know the history of the horse and rider and can see whatís going on I think it would be very hard to have someone else tell me what to work on besides my coach.

I hope this was somewhat helpful! You are a wonderful rider, keep up the good work!
     
    06-22-2012, 10:48 PM
  #13
Showing
I think you need to work on quieter hands. When you rise, your hands need to stay where they are. Atm you're lifting them up and down and the reins are pulling him around making it hard to him to settle into the contact.
     
    06-22-2012, 11:38 PM
  #14
Trained


Chair seat. That would be fine with me for my riding, but it isn't what you want. That is why your posting looks like hard work. You can't uncoil your legs. Instead, you have to bring your hips forward.

Since I'm not really an English-style rider, I'm not sure how to fix it. I'd probably try lengthening your stirrups a few holes, and then doing a lot of two-point to get your balance in synch with the horse.

Also, your horse's head is past the vertical in many shots. There may be a time when that is appropriate - remember, I'm not an English rider. However, I wouldn't think it would be a good idea until your horse is first moving forward with power. In my extremely limited experience, it is easier to get the horse to move forward with power and then moderate it than it is to hold the head back while asking for power from the rear. Again, consider the source in reading this advice...

Also: is the goal dressage or jumping? Dressage has been mentioned, but the saddle looks like a jump saddle. A forward seat is ridden differently from a dressage seat. For a forward seat, you might need to lengthen your stirrups some and bend more at the waist to get your upper body balanced over the stirrup bars.
     
    06-22-2012, 11:49 PM
  #15
Showing
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Originally Posted by bsms    

Since I'm not really an English-style rider, I'm not sure how to fix it. I'd probably try lengthening your stirrups a few holes, and then doing a lot of two-point to get your balance in synch with the horse.

Good advice :)

Also, your horse's head is past the vertical in many shots. There may be a time when that is appropriate - remember, I'm not an English rider. However, I wouldn't think it would be a good idea until your horse is first moving forward with power. In my extremely limited experience, it is easier to get the horse to move forward with power and then moderate it than it is to hold the head back while asking for power from the rear. Again, consider the source in reading this advice...

Usually horses should not be past the vertical, at all.. that's the horse evading due to pressure or lack of release.

Also: is the goal dressage or jumping? Dressage has been mentioned, but the saddle looks like a jump saddle. A forward seat is ridden differently from a dressage seat. For a forward seat, you might need to lengthen your stirrups some and bend more at the waist to get your upper body balanced over the stirrup bars.

Not quite. Dressage you have longer stirrups but for any kind of jumping or 'forward seat' riding, you need shorter length of stirrups
But otherwise good advice, bsms :)

I think her tight hip is affecting her leg position because she used to not have this position issue.

OP I hope you feel better soon and get the relief you have been seeking from the chiro :/
     
    06-23-2012, 12:06 AM
  #16
Super Moderator
AT the end of the last wtc video going left, when Ollie came out of the canter, he wanted to stretch down and that would have been a good time to do a "stretchy circle" with him.

He need to do more work with his neck both elevated (which he seems to want to do naturally), and elongated, reaching forward. At present, it looks like he is developing a way of holding his neck that makes it look scrunched back on itself. I mean, rather , the head is scrunched back into the neck, and it's blocking him.
He appears to have trouble moving his head to the right in the atlas/axis joint, right behind the poll. The movement that he would make if he was saying "no". When you were cantering to the right, and you asked him to flex and soften on the inside rein, he either raised or lowered his head to avoid that movement. I think he is blocked there. Stiff there, I guess.

At one point, in one of the videos, I saw you flex him to the left (his good side) and you did a pretty nice job of it. His head stayed in a vertical plane, which is good and correct. This needs to be done to the right, too, but with care because he demonstrates that it's difficult.

For you, when you trot, you are actually swiveling up, advancing your inside hip at the top of your posting trot motion, which is exactly when the horse has advacned his OUTSIDE him, so you are effectively counter swiveling his motion. You do this more going right than going left.
I think that anchoring your outside elbow, with some bend in it, to your outside ribcage will help. Both elbows need more bend so that your hands can stay still at the trot, but you really need your outside elbow firmly back, it is advancing in front of the inside one and is very stiff and straight.

At that canter you ride much better and could teach me a thing or two, as I am having some real difficulties there. Let Ollie stretch down sometimes, even at canter, and keep that outside elbow connected to your core!


With regard to the elevated/elongated comment;

Think of making his poll go farther away from you. You want his face to be just in front of the vertical, but you want his poll to be pushing away from you, too. If you constrict him, he will raise his head but actually bring his poll backward, closer to you. Just use that visual thinking; "I push his poll forward away from me"
     
    06-23-2012, 01:25 AM
  #17
Green Broke
Thanks guys this super super helps me!
Tiny, I saw the counter swiveling too! I was like omg what the heck is my body doing!? It explains why I have the worst pain every time after I ride on my right side from hip to upper ribcage, like the worst side ache pain plus like I got cow kicked right there. So not fun!
Ialso agree with my outside arm...I think I feel like I just have told hold him on the outside rein, bad me bad! Lol

I'm going to read this later when I am not so tired
Thanks again everyone!
I really really really appreaite this!
I have a lesson this weekend so I'll try to start worming on a few of these things.
     
    06-23-2012, 01:26 AM
  #18
Trained
"Not quite. Dressage you have longer stirrups but for any kind of jumping or 'forward seat' riding, you need shorter length of stirrup"
Yes. However, in this case, even for a forward seat, I'd suggest longer stirrups. For a dressage seat, I'd suggest a different saddle AND much longer stirrups.

I can't find my book on the American Military Seat, which has the old cavalry manual on riding...but IIRC, it recommended very short stirrups only for jumping over 3'6". How far you need to come out of the saddle for jumping is a function of the angle the horse's back needs to generate to jump the obstacle.

For the OP: I would suggest getting this book:

Http://www.amazon.com/American-Military-Horsemanship-Cavalry-through/dp/1420855522/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1340429054&sr=8-1&keywords=american+military+seat
I may need to break down and buy another copy myself.

In fact, I just ordered another copy...hate it when I lose books!
     
    06-23-2012, 01:35 AM
  #19
Green Broke
Bsms, thanks! Yes we are shopping for dressage saddles. Infect tomorrow morningwill be sitting in a few saddles to see what works for me!
Trust me I'm going to for sure be getting a better saddle!
Oh and for the question what are my goals... Big big dream, 2-3rd level dressage and jumping/derbies or xc

So I'll also try dropping my stirrups and hope to gid it doesn't hurt my right side....kinda scared
     
    06-23-2012, 01:37 AM
  #20
Weanling
When you are going around to the right at the beginning of the second video, your left arm stays very still, but when you switch to the left, it almost looks as though you are pulling yourself up into the rising part of the posting trot with your hands. Both legs come forward when you rise, is this because you are relying on the stirrups, or is it related to your injury? Going to the right in the second video it looks like your arm is 'locked' into position, bringing your hand (and the rein) both up and down, and back and forth, with every rise/fall of the posting trot. I think that working on relaxing the wrist and elbow would help with this. I also think your stirrups may be a bit too short for good leg position, which would also affect how your hands and arms are moving. I like your horse!
     

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