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        08-08-2011, 09:30 AM
      #21
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bubba13    
    WhoaNow, I'm not sure what you mean by sharp and long fetlocks?
    Are you referring to the angle and length of her pasterns?


    I can absolutely buy the conformational predisposition to soft tissue problems--
    Lord knows I've quizzed the vet about a dozen times on the very subject, to his great exasperation....and utter denial.

    But vets, even good ones, aren't always right about those things.


    And it would make more sense (and make me feel horribly guilty) if we could tie in the lameness to barrel racing, either through a specific incident or an accumulation of overuse.
    But again, every time she's come up lame, it's been after pulling her off the pasture.
    I do think there could be something to the theory that she had minor, subclinical desmitis of the DDFT,
    Acquired during competition, general riding, running around the pasture, or whatever,
    that was then badly aggravated by the overloading of that leg due to the opposing abscess
    (and she was, indeed, quite happily galloping on three legs when the right abscess was so painful she couldn't even put the hoof down).

    If I'd known, I would have kept her up those days until the abscess burst, but then the vet had said to turn her out to help speed the process along,
    And hindsight IS 20/20....
    When the vets at the hospital saw her MRI results, they couldn't say whether the three tears happened at the same time or separately.
    And they were amazed she was as sound as she was, given the severity of the injury.
    Yes I was also referring to that.

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    Originally Posted by Elana    
    Front pasterns typically have mnore slope than rear pasterns. 60% of the
    Horse's weight are on the front legs.

    I never let a horse out with an abscess that was 3 legged lame.. especially a hot horse that will gallop 3 legged.
    I kept the horse stalled or in a small paddock attached to the stall and wrapped or
    Used a Professional's Choice support boot on the loaded leg and a poultice with a LOT of wrapping on the abscess foot.
    I also soaked the bad foot a LOT. If I could find the soft spot on the soul
    I would open the abscess and continue with poultices and soaking until there was no puss
    (I also used some antibiotic mastitis treatment in the hole).
    Then the horse was shod with a pad on that foot until the sole grew out and there was no hole.
    If the abscess came out at the coronary band, they the horse was shod with a toe clip and/or side clips and a pad
    (if Seedy toed) until it all grew out.

    Yes.. letting a horse run around MAY bring the abscess to a head,
    But it can really make a mess of the loaded leg (including founder).

    Of course, I am not your vet. I am just someone who has kicked around
    A bit with horses and cattle and I go with what has worked for me.
    Some of these things are not the latest and the greatest and
    I was doing this before the use of MRI's on horses
    (unless they were race horses or valuable horses that could be sent to a university where such things were being tested..
    And the expense was beyond real).

    I have handled horses of that caliber but never owned one, so I did what I could do with what I had at the time, which was just under 15 years ago.
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Elana    
    FWIW here is a link to information regarding this type of injury:

    Tendon Injuries
    Good article.
    Bubba, you might want add some of this info to your 'mini thesis' on conformation - Conformation Education - A Basic Illustrated Overview.

    Again, good luck with your girl.
    She's far too young to be unrideable,.., it's sad
         
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        08-08-2011, 10:07 AM
      #22
    Green Broke
    Other than how her neck ties into her withers, I think she has lovely conformation.
         
        08-08-2011, 01:49 PM
      #23
    Foal
    Hey Bubba13, I'm really impressed by your new-found maturity level in your recent postings. It looks good on you, so wear it, and don't prove me wrong. :)
         
        08-09-2011, 12:31 AM
      #24
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bubba13    
    I love her FACE! What a sassy girl!! She has that *You wanna what? ImaeatyourfaceNOW" face on LOL
         
        08-09-2011, 04:45 AM
      #25
    Yearling
    I wouldn't say no if you wanted to bring her and her be a pasture puff with Rascal !
         
        08-09-2011, 09:25 AM
      #26
    Showing
    I'm not great at critique, frankly. I think she has a straightish shoulder. But other than that I like her build. It's sad she has to be retired so young.

    What is 1D BTW?
         
        08-09-2011, 01:08 PM
      #27
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    OK, HoFo isn't letting me quote, so I'll try just putting the names of the people I'm responding to...

    Elana-

    Yep, I agree with all that--you know what they say about retrospect. :roll:

    Of course, there was even more to the abscess story, just to let you know how much my life sucked that spring....she'd started out only mildly lame, as most abscesses go, and I'd made an appointment for a couple days out with my vet, as it didn't seem like an emergency. Then wouldn't you know it, but we got hit with 110 mph straight-line winds, which tore up our barn and indirectly killed two of our neighbor's (the vet) horses by blowing turnout sheds on top of them and breaking their legs. The barn was unuseable until we pulled out all the broken doors and shattered glass and got it safety-tested, as many of the boards at the top were splintered and off-kilter. Meanwhile, we were really concerned about the horse we had on trial to buy, as he had been in the barn at the time, and another horse, which was dying of cancer and had been given a week to live five months before. Bones was put up in a solitary lot with temporary electric fencing, which she promptly charged through and set about cavorting around the pasture three-legged, no doubt partially inspired by the storm. 2009 was a really bad year.

    I'd still love, if you could provide it, an image of what you would consider your ideal knee. I get what you're syaying, yes, but I can't exactly picture the underlying bone/tendon/ligamentous structure that lends itself to either a "correct" or "upright" conformation. Do you have any diagrams?

    trailhorserider-

    Thank you. ;)
    For anyone who points out something specific, if you have a photo of your own ideal, I would be genuinely very interested in seeing it so I can compare.

    equinesalways-

    Well, I'm flattered--but then again, I have not changed in the slightest.
    It's all about perception.....

    kitten_Val

    I'm heartbroken that she is retired, but I doubt that she is. Spoiled girl. :roll:

    1D is "first division," or the fastest class in barrel racing.
    http://www.horseforum.com/barrel-racing/pls-explain-1-d-2-d-89349/
         
        08-09-2011, 02:14 PM
      #28
    Weanling
    In my opinion (and i'm NOT an expert, just my experience from years of seeing, riding horses, and soaking up knowledge from others) the following horse has near perfect confo (if you think im delusional, please point it out lol)

    His name is Aragorn a TB, DOB 2002. Great shoulder and neck on this boy, love the way it ties in, not too much bum either.

    From what I can see, he doesn't seem to have posty hocks or cow hocks (mind you better pics would be a +) His knees are nice and flat, cannon bone doesn't look too long, REALLY well balanced looking boy, bleh I could go on forever. He is an all around eye pleasing horse, with a great color as a bonus. Any of you experts see any flaws?




    I would buy him 100% (as long as he was sound and passed the PPE )
         
        08-09-2011, 11:28 PM
      #29
    Banned
    Undeniably he's a very nice horse. Some might fault him for being "cut out behind the knee," when it comes to the front legs, but you can't find much else to pick at there. But, again, how would you, physiologically or mathematically speaking, define what makes his knees better able to stand up to arduous exercise than the gray's? Or how about his neck set? The dip in front of the withers on the gray that keeps getting comments--is that a lack of muscling, or an actual conformational issue (and if the latter, caused by...what, exactly? Can't be bone structure). Her neck ties in high at the base, but the me, that is actually a positive trait (those in some other, non-speed disciplines, however, might disagree).
         
        08-10-2011, 09:48 AM
      #30
    Weanling
    What do you mean by "cut out behind the knee"? And I totally agree with you, depending on the discipline that the horse is used for, conformation should play a part in that. I would use him for dressage, because of the way his neck ties in, his shapely bum, his back isn't too long, clean legs, (he would look great collected) and he is pretty.

    As for Mrs.Sassy I like the way her neck ties in, her overall confo is pretty nice, she's a wee bit bulky but you don't ride her much due to her injury correct? The way she holds herself, the height of her wither, her legs (in front) seem to look clean and straight, flat kneecaps, her pasturns look good on all four's. Is it the right back leg she has issues with? I would buy her and use her for dressage (if she was 100% sound of course) All in all a well put together animal.

    I think you can "build" a wither to some extent, the rest is all genetic, you need something good to start off with lol. Your gray looks like she has a lack of muscling (dip in front of wither) I don't think it's a conformational problem. If she was as well muscled as the chestnut she would have a similar wither i'm sure. I totally want to write more but I gtg to work >< But let me know if i'm totally off the mark lol!
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