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post #21 of 95 Old 06-12-2013, 01:31 AM
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if you are being offset onto your outside leg on a circle, it's centrifugal force. I think it's really very common for riders to experience what you are explaining, and end up putting more weight into the outside stirrup.

One thing that can help is to think of your inside thigh as really running down the inside of her body, and imagine it kind of holding you there. And since you should advance your inside hip a very small amount, if you think of your energy going down this inside thigh, agains the barrel and right behind the horse's leading shoulder, this will help you stay kind of , how can I say, "forked" over the horse's back evenly?
more riding with the whole seat (seatbones and thighs), less riding from the stirrups.
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It's late and I am on iPhone so I will read your post & others' comment when I am at a computer.
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It's weird that this has never happened riding Western though!
Tiny, what you are saying is to "curl" my inside leg around like they tell you to do in a 2-point, but not actually 2 point.
Do you think it would be easier to learn this in a half seat since that's where my saddle wants me to be?

Her lope has gotten so nice!
I know it's western, but humor me.

Riding yesterday, she was starting to stretch down in a lope, I thought she was pulling on the bit at first, but when I let rein out she stretched and kept contact. I was impressed.

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I wonder if in the Western saddle your'e feeling more secure and relax more. In the English saddle, do you feel secure, and centered/balanced, or do you feel like you're using the stirrups to stay in the saddle?

You shouldn't really have more weight in one stirrup over the other. That means you're leaning. I was always taught to push down on the ball of my foot in the inside stirrup and look into the turn, both of which will shift your weigh on your seatbones enough for the horse to feel it and help him balancing the turn. But I was taught to still keep my weight distributed evenly between the stirrups.

Can you do some cantering without stirrups for a little while each session. That should center you very nicely over the horse's back.
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"It's weird that this has never happened riding Western though!
Tiny, what you are saying is to "curl" my inside leg around like they tell you to do in a 2-point, but not actually 2 point.
Do you think it would be easier to learn this in a half seat since that's where my saddle wants me to be? "

No. I am not saying 'curl' your leg around the inside. Almost the opposite. I am saying focus more on putting the inside of your thigh along the shoulder/barrel of the horse. With the inside of your knee flat against the saddle. This means a little bit LESS of the lower leg on. Because you do not want to curl the lower leg against the barrel. You do not want the back of the calf more against the horse. I am not talking jumping here, just cantering seated, a circle.

When you are in your English saddle, and just for yucks and giggles, think of lengthening your inside leg just a bit more by imagining your are going to go down onto our knees. Your knee will drop, and the line of contact all along the inside of your thigh will become more firm. That helps me to counteract centrifugal force.

This is what I have used, but I am the first to admit that I am not champ of a rider, so other riders may have better advice.
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So you want me to roll my thigh and knee into my knee block and use that as my support system?

I would go stirrupless if I had a more... chill.. horse. And an arena. Lol.

Hopefully I will get a video tomorrow.

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Try making the circle HUGE, and then spiraling in to a 20m circle, and spiraling back out to the huge circle.

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Here are some more screenshots that are from the previous video.







Checklist of things to do:
Stick boobehs out.
Open up hips.
Lengthen stirrups a hole.

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Rode today, how did I do?










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Something doesn't quite look right in how you're sitting in the saddle. You look kind of cramped up or squished. Your behind looks like it's too far up on the cantle. That can mess with your balance and body position. The seat and flap-size look right. Is it possible your stirrups are too short?

Take your feet out of the stirrups and sink your butt deep into the deepest part of the saddle. Relax and let your legs fall where they feel natural. The iron should hit you at about your ankle-bone.

Without an arena and a non-chill horse, is there anyone who could lunge you stirrup-less? If your horse tolerates it, also put your arms out to the side once you're comfortable. If you're leaning, it will become obvious pretty quickly.
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