New confo pics of Cinny today, please critique him

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    07-26-2011, 11:25 PM
Green Broke
New confo pics of Cinny today, please critique him

I took some new conformation pictures today because I wanted to compare what he looks like now with what he looked like when I got him. I thought it would be the perfect opportunity for a re-critique as well. The shot of his right side got messed up because someone's dumb blood hound started bellowing and freaked cinny out a bit, but the left is a pretty good pic.

What I can see is that he still needs to build his topline more and he is very definitely COWHOCKED...which looking at the pic of his hind is sort of an understatement. Also you may notice that his right hind looks a little enlarged, it's due to scar tissue from a fence cut when he was a yearling. It healed just fine and causes him no problems at all. I'm interested in what other people see.

He is registered APHA in the solid registry
8 years old
Registered as "black" but he's probably more black bay I'd say (this is what he looks like faded, the rest of the year he's jet black)
He measures 15h
I have mainly been using him dressage and he has done well showing intro at schooling shows. We also do trail and a little WP so that he's easier for my daughter to ride. We play at barrels but nothing very serious and have never competed, just played at the stable.
I bought him a year ago as "untrained" but in reality he was more of what Maura calls a "green reclaim."

Left Side
Left Side.jpg

Right Side
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Head (just because he's so cute)
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    07-26-2011, 11:34 PM
Very nice horse. Very nice. The sort of horse I wouldn't mind owning. If I were to nitpick, I'd complain about the ever-so-slightly steep slant of his croup, his over-at-the-knee-ness, and his somewhat fine bone. And the cowhocks, as you pointed out.
    07-26-2011, 11:42 PM
Green Broke
I never really noticed his being over at the knees before you said that, but yes... you are right he is lol. Just looked at my old pictures, and he is there too.... I thought maybe if he wasn't in those then maybe it was something chiro and other therapy could put back but it looks like he's knee over for the long haul :)

Never noticed his croup either, I just always used to my old QH who was always a tad too big in the butt.

And thank you for the compliment. I think I got him for a steal and his previous owner still periodically calls asking if I still like him because if I don't she'll take him back ha ha. I think she regrets selling him.
    07-27-2011, 01:12 AM
Over at the knee? Well, maybe a tiny bit, but way better to be over at the knee than calf kneed (the opposite).
He is definintely cowhocked , something that a lot of people say about horses when actually it's normal for the leg to angle outward a little from the hock.
His back is a little bit long, or maybe it's just the short croup/steep angle. His shoulder is nice and his front legs really nice and straight. He is a nice looking horse and has a pretty head.
    07-27-2011, 09:02 AM
Green Broke
Thanks Tiny. I love his head too, although I had one trainer that said his head was ugly and that I should never show him halter, LMAO.

I also forgot to mention that the vet says he's missing a vertabrae, which would account for part of his back soreness. And if he isn't worked consistently he starts to have issue with his sacroilliac joint getting stiff on him. I've always thought of him as short backed myself as most saddles are just too long for him.

All in all, from what I hear he was an "oops" breeding (neighbors no name paint youngster got in whith a champ AQHA reiner), so where "oops" breedings are concerned I think he lucked out :)
    07-27-2011, 10:04 AM
Green Broke
Actually I agree but he isn't REALLY cow hocked. A cow hocked horse would have the feet out and the cannons at an angle. This horse has cannons that areturned but perpendicular to the ground. Cow hocks is a serious flaw when it is real. The spiral of the leg conformation will always give a horse a toed out stance behind (allows the stifle to clear the belly among other things).

What this horse IS behind is "standing close." He toes out because he is standing so close and he is not a skinny minny up top! This means he likely TRAVELS Straight (a truly cow hocked horse will keep his hocks close when he trots away from you and swing his feet wide.. and it is very strange to see). What he MIGHT do is interfere a bit (brush) behind and it seems the inside of his ankles are a little puffy. He might be a horse that shoud be ridden with brush boots when he is shod behind.

Yes.. a bit over at the knee (not a serious flaw) and a bit of a dip behind his withers.. but a nice package altogether.
    07-27-2011, 11:34 AM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by Elana    
What this horse IS behind is "standing close." He toes out because he is standing so close and he is not a skinny minny up top! This means he likely TRAVELS Straight .
Could this be the reason he just can't seem to get it in his head that it is actually possibly to BEND. That is the one major thing we have issues with when riding. Don't get me wrong, he has improved by leaps and bounds but the bendy things in dressage are always his biggest struggles.

He has always been completely barefoot. Last week he took a chunk out and I was sure that we were heading into needing shoes but it turns out he started growing out at drastic rates so my farrier just changed him to a 4 week trimming schedule and said that it should prevent the hoof issues. We have been doing the usual 6 week and last time he had to almost take off 6 inches of flared out, cosmetic yuck. But regardless, he does have boots... I usually ride him in Legacy boots.
    07-27-2011, 12:47 PM
Green Broke
The reason he has trouble bending is because he does not know how to track up and put his weight to the rear. In all reality horses do not really do a lot of bending in their body. What they learn is how to place their rear feet and how to be balanced.

Looking at him I see a hollow back.. and a need for hills and caveletti. Transitions.. up and down.. working him forward and teaching him to com up into your hands (or up into the bridle). He needs to learn go be obedient to your leg..

IOW's a lot of training. :) But that is what we do is it not?
    07-27-2011, 01:21 PM
Green Broke
The past year we have mainly worked on acceptance of a person on our back, acceptance of a bit in our mouth and also that there are 3 other gaits besides gallop as fast as you can lol. Oh, and leg pressure doesn't always mean go faster (he still occasionally misinterprets that one though).

The past 4 months or so we have also been concentrating on turning around barrels both forwards and backwards, Hills Hills Hills on trail and transitions. I haven't done any ground pole work because our BO is working on getting ground poles for us. We mostly use what we can find on trail as far as fallen branches and the such.
    07-27-2011, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by bubba13    
Very nice horse. Very nice. The sort of horse I wouldn't mind owning. If I were to nitpick, I'd complain about the ever-so-slightly steep slant of his croup, his over-at-the-knee-ness, and his somewhat fine bone. And the cowhocks, as you pointed out.
What types of long term issues could something like that cause? And what is the "correct" term? I ask because a girl I ride with has a horse that has "funny looking" legs. I won't post pix because the horse isn't mine but they are much more severely noticeable then Cinnys. But I think it's that sort of conformation only much more. Maybe I could post pix of just the legs and nothing else. I ask out of pure curiousity. Nothing else.

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