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        04-26-2009, 10:07 PM
      #11
    Weanling
    Also these people are technically dressage and they are nowhere near square.
    http://www.sawda-equestrian.com/Assets/ShetanHalt.jpg

    http://www.firstchancefarm.com/Eclipse%20Halt.jpg
    http://www.sevenoaksfarm.com/images/.../rosieHalt.gif
         
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        04-26-2009, 10:08 PM
      #12
    Showing
    Trissacar, I strongly believe that two of the most neglected things in dressage is a correct walk and a correct halt; if you can master those two things, you're well on your way to becoming an awesome rider.

    I still reflect on the story of a "dressage-off" if you will, where the only deciding factor between the winner and second place was a correct 20-m circle at a walk.
         
        04-26-2009, 10:12 PM
      #13
    Weanling
    On a positive note,
    Love your horse. Got to love blacks. ;) And I'm a sucker for big bushie tails. Your turn-out together is neat and tidy and looking quite clean! You guys look like a good pair.
    On the critique side, when you execute your halts put the back of your hand on the small of your back. When you exhale, think of pushing that part of your back into your hands. You will feel that the point of your hip rotates slightly up to allow that part of your back to get "filled in". If you have back issues, then doing it this way will allow you to find that spot in your back without causing you discomfort, because it is subtle and a different way of breathing. Once you find that sweet spot you will be able to be more secure.
    Next time you ride have someone come out with you and try something super cool to "test" if you will if you are secured in your position. Sit on your horse, hold your reins and have the helper stand in front of your horse and take both reins on both side of your horse's mouth. Have them lean back a little, and see if they can pull you forwards out of your saddle. Try not to resist too much, just see what happens. If your helper can pull you forward, or you find yourself really trying to stay seated, you are not grounded. Put your hand at the small of your back, exhale, and fill that space. Put your hands back on the reins and see how secure you are then. Keep exploring where it is, how straight you can make your back to where when your helper pulls on the reins you can easily remain seated and the pull grounds you to your saddle, and your horse takes a step forward. Once the energy moves through you and moves your horse underneath you from the pull of your helper, you know you have found your secure sweet spot in your back that will make riding a lot more simple, and safe!
    Once you find that, go back to your halts and practice finding that spot in your back and explore what it does.
    You look like a nice, competent rider you just need some fine tuning. Put a little bend in your elbows and remember to breath. :)
    Let me know what that does for you. Its hard for me to help you fully over the computer but I will be curious to see if that helps you.
         
        04-26-2009, 10:12 PM
      #14
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Trissacar    
    I guess that's why people tell me I should be a judge.
    To be a judge you have to be able to look at not only what is obvious and presented before you but how that picture will affect the following movement.

    JDI saw what I saw. Your horse's position is not bad but it does appear to be leaning on the bit. As I said in my previous post the rider's position should not only affect the entry into the movement but the exit also.

    From what I see any request to make a transition into another movement will be sticky and not fluid.
         
        04-26-2009, 10:12 PM
      #15
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Trissacar    
    I'm not quiiiite sure what the point is of these pictures.. I mean, this person calls themselves a dressage rider:



    (Anky van Grunsven, multiple championships)
         
        04-26-2009, 10:16 PM
      #16
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JustDressageIt    
    I agree with Spyder et al.

    You are tensing which does translate to your horse - if you can learn to relax your pelvis and let it rotate back to "neutral" (you have it rotate backwards now, creating a hollow back) that will solve a lot of your problems.
    It does look like she might be leaning on the bit ever so slightly, whereas the horse in the post that Spyder made was light in the forehand, which is what you want to accomplish.

    There are some really knowledgable people on this forum that have offered some really great advice - your horse and yourself look like a great match, imagine what you could do once you get everything sorted out!
    Shes is leaning but I was referring to the more squared halt compared to the other one.
    And I wasn't sitting like that when I halted. There was a reason I moved. Which I will not go into.
    I think this is a decent halt but people seem to keep squirting around that.
    But you can all be free of me now becuz I don't think I will be posting anything on this forum anymore. You can go back to doing whatever it was you were doing before. The 'nuisance' will be gone.
    Happy trails!
    -Triss
         
        04-26-2009, 10:20 PM
      #17
    Showing
    Just to nit-pick a little (I'm sorry, I feel it needs to be said).. your elbow is not bent at all, so your shoulder is tense, so you are creating a false line from shoulder to elbow, then elbow to bit.

    Again, from other pictures I have seen your mare is lovely and you guys have the potential to make a really superb team, but blocking off a willingness to learn will hinder your ability to become a truely spectacular rider.
         
        04-26-2009, 10:21 PM
      #18
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by koomy56    
    On a positive note,
    Love your horse. Got to love blacks. ;) And I'm a sucker for big bushie tails. Your turn-out together is neat and tidy and looking quite clean! You guys look like a good pair.
    On the critique side, when you execute your halts put the back of your hand on the small of your back. When you exhale, think of pushing that part of your back into your hands. You will feel that the point of your hip rotates slightly up to allow that part of your back to get "filled in". If you have back issues, then doing it this way will allow you to find that spot in your back without causing you discomfort, because it is subtle and a different way of breathing. Once you find that sweet spot you will be able to be more secure.
    Next time you ride have someone come out with you and try something super cool to "test" if you will if you are secured in your position. Sit on your horse, hold your reins and have the helper stand in front of your horse and take both reins on both side of your horse's mouth. Have them lean back a little, and see if they can pull you forwards out of your saddle. Try not to resist too much, just see what happens. If your helper can pull you forward, or you find yourself really trying to stay seated, you are not grounded. Put your hand at the small of your back, exhale, and fill that space. Put your hands back on the reins and see how secure you are then. Keep exploring where it is, how straight you can make your back to where when your helper pulls on the reins you can easily remain seated and the pull grounds you to your saddle, and your horse takes a step forward. Once the energy moves through you and moves your horse underneath you from the pull of your helper, you know you have found your secure sweet spot in your back that will make riding a lot more simple, and safe!
    Once you find that, go back to your halts and practice finding that spot in your back and explore what it does.
    You look like a nice, competent rider you just need some fine tuning. Put a little bend in your elbows and remember to breath. :)
    Let me know what that does for you. Its hard for me to help you fully over the computer but I will be curious to see if that helps you.
    Thank you for the advice I may actually try it! :-D
    And just for everyone to know I am not a dressage rider. I do hunters/jumpers/equitation/.
    But my trainer places alot of emphasis on dressage. Her trainer's trainer I believe was a Olympic dressage rider so you can see how she would place a little emphasis on it.
         
        04-26-2009, 10:22 PM
      #19
    Showing
    It is a decent halt but nothing spectacular, and you asked for a critique on the halt, dressage-style.. we are complying and giving suggestions as to what would make it better. I hope you didn't take offence.



    (PS - I am a hunter rider :) I used to loathe dressage until it made the difference between my mare and I being "ok" at 3'3" to stellar at 4'.)
         
        04-26-2009, 10:30 PM
      #20
    Showing
    Trisaccar, my next question to you is: Do you understand and see what we're saying, pertaining to your photo?
    I posted pictures for a critique here a while ago and got some very harsh responses... or so I thought at the time. I got frustrated because I asked a few people to point out exactly where they were seeing tension, and didn't get a clear response. I didn't understand what they were saying, because I couldn't see it. It snowballed from there. Now I realize that they were posting very helpful information and I have learned from that.
    Another thing was... if you appear to be a more advanced rider, we will critique as such. Your halt is spectacular if you were a beginner... but since you are obviously not, we are comparing you to some "higher" standards, if you will.
    Is that what's going on?
         

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