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post #1 of 16 Old 09-03-2009, 04:59 PM Thread Starter
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new pictures of me and gabe for you to critique!

So there's not a lot. I've been trying to do lots more flatwork to solidify my position, I've gotten into quite a few bad habits while riding. So, definitely tell me what you think, of both me and gabe.

Also, please tell me if my stirrups are too short.
Thanks!

And I also know that in the last picture my shoulders are hunched forward and my hands are low. He's still in training, and we're working on dropping and tucking his head.
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post #2 of 16 Old 09-03-2009, 05:13 PM
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If you want his head tucked and dropped then tie it to his chest already. If you want him working correctly, you're going to have to start riding for it.
Lengthen your stirrups a hole so you stop standing in them, bring your leg back and sit in the saddle! I know you're riding in an all purpose, but that is no excuse for perching above the tack. Maintain your ear-shoulder-hip-heel line and start using this correct position to develop aids that are going to engage his hind end and eventually cause him to come round into the bridle.
Work on lots of transtions, keeping his rhythm clear and even and keeping your reins short enough to have a contact with his mouth and your elbows glued to your hips.
I highly suggest some reading into theory as well so you can start to learn how to correctly get the horse round and working properly. Jane Savoie and Sally Swift are two great people to start with.
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You need to learn your center point a bit better. Try going low jumps with out stirrups. Best I can add.
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post #4 of 16 Old 09-03-2009, 07:26 PM
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anebel...you don't need to tie a horses head to its chest!!

You look really cute together im not going to critique though becsides that: what in the world are you doing with ur hands??! Get them off ur horses neck!
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post #5 of 16 Old 09-03-2009, 07:44 PM
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anebel...you don't need to tie a horses head to its chest!! !
She's saying that if all you want is a horse that tucks his head in then you may as well just tie it because unless you ride him properly that's all he's going to do. To get your horse truly "in a frame" you need to work him from behind and now just focus on his head.

Unless of course you were being sarcastic HorsesAreForever and in which case I've made myself look like quite a noob ;)
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Anebel - I don't believe in tying a horse's head. I believe that tying and martingales are just a crutch and mask the problem, and by using them it could possibly happen that your horse will begin to rely on them. I'd rather teach him to drop frame up and start moving underneath himself so I never have to rely on anything but myself. My trainer is one of 7 trainers in the USA trained under Monty Roberts and I trust her methods. Also, about my position, I'm trying to improve my equitation for the hunter ring, and I don't know about where you live, but here, it's necessary to be tipping forward slightly, in sort of a half seat. I definitely do not want to be sitting deep and straight in my saddle. Thanks for the tips, I will definitely start working on transitions, and thanks for hand placement tips. People tell me to get my hands up and elbows back but I have not known they were supposed to be by my hips! :) Thanks!

Saint3meg3rlfc - I'm very aware that I need to get his hind end working more while focusing his head, but can you give me any tips on how to do that? Sorry, but I can't do anything if everyone points out our problems but no one tells me how to fix them. Thanks!
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It's called sarcasm guys. Anebel was joking. I'm 99.9% sure she would never, ever tie a horse's head down.

As for the critique.. If you want him to start working correctly, ride lots of circles and serpentines, making sure you bend him correctly and set him up for it. Also lots of transitions. I have heard hillwork does wonders for their butt muscles.

I'd also suggest having actual contact in your reins instead of letting them be so loose, because with no contact, the horse cannot reach forward and down into the bridle.

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Anebel - I don't believe in tying a horse's head. I believe that tying and martingales are just a crutch and mask the problem, and by using them it could possibly happen that your horse will begin to rely on them. I'd rather teach him to drop frame up and start moving underneath himself so I never have to rely on anything but myself. My trainer is one of 7 trainers in the USA trained under Monty Roberts and I trust her methods. Also, about my position, I'm trying to improve my equitation for the hunter ring, and I don't know about where you live, but here, it's necessary to be tipping forward slightly, in sort of a half seat. I definitely do not want to be sitting deep and straight in my saddle. Thanks for the tips, I will definitely start working on transitions, and thanks for hand placement tips. People tell me to get my hands up and elbows back but I have not known they were supposed to be by my hips! :) Thanks!
It's funny that you WANT to have a "hunter lean" while riding. After years and years of riding hunt seat I'm still working myself out of it. It's absolutely horrible to me that I was unaware of how ineffective my riding was, and how much my lean was disrupting my horses movement. Sitting tall and deep should be what you're striving for, whether you ride hunt or not. Not that anyone on the internet will change your mind. Just my two cents.

Cute horse. Anebel gave great advice in her post.
Aside from the sarcastic "tie his head" remark of course.
Read it again and you'll see.

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Neon Zero - Thanks, I will start asap! And I'm training for an andurance race in November, and I'm going up to our local state forest and riding the hills and trail there, so that will help his butt hopefully! :)

Gillian - Gah, than you for being clear on that, I'm just so confused about my whole seat. See, I used to sit EXACTLY how you are describing, tall and deep, with a firm seat, but for the show ring, my instructor wants me sitting lighter in the saddle, and tilting a bit. And I'm not quite sure if I'm even doing that correctly, which is why it may look a little awkward. I'll try and find a picture of my previous seat. Thanks though. :)
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Gillian - Gah, than you for being clear on that, I'm just so confused about my whole seat. See, I used to sit EXACTLY how you are describing, tall and deep, with a firm seat, but for the show ring, my instructor wants me sitting lighter in the saddle, and tilting a bit. And I'm not quite sure if I'm even doing that correctly, which is why it may look a little awkward. I'll try and find a picture of my previous seat. Thanks though. :)
For the Equitation, you want to go in a half seat,i've never heard of a "hunter lean". When you're in a half seat you still sit tall and nothing about your upper body changes.
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