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post #1 of 12 Old 03-06-2012, 10:24 AM Thread Starter
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Nova Jumping her first line of three jumps! Critique

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Going from a two stride to a one! The first time she tried to refuse hense the head flip. Second time she went through straight. Ignore my EQ in the videos.. haven't jumped all winter! Cant wait till all of our snow is gone so i can actually ride.. we trailer to this indoor once every two weeks maybe cause our indoor is two small to do much more then a trot..

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Also what other type of exercises could I do??
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The vid quality isn't easy to critique on.

Whomever the rider is in the last still shot has lovely equitation, however the distance is pretty unpleasant, and her ears are very telling about how she felt about how she was set up to that fence.

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The distances in this exercise are not set correctly for this horse's pace and stride.

You either need someone with a good working knowledge of striding or pace to set the fences up and/or someone on the ground to adjust fences while you're riding.

The still photo at the end confuses me. A green horse should not be jumping a single fence at that height before being comfortable jumping simple gymnastics. The horse has a nice attitude and some athletic ability; but has left dangerously long for the fence. If she continues to be put to fences at wrong or difficult distances, she's going to get discouraged, sour or scared. As a general rule, single fences should be introduced *after* gymnastics and at a lower height.

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The last picture is me jumping her.
She is deff green to jumping. I've schooled her over jumps in the past. Never a line of three just two because thats where her confidence was. She can jump a full 2'3 course.. just 3 jumps in a line so close was past her comfort zone. I realize now that I should have been working on this far before jumping her over 3'3. Which is why Im taking steps back now to work on it before ever revisiting that height again. I know I could have gotten both her and myself hurt.

Shes always been one to jump long rather then get to close to it. After watching this I figured they could have been spaced further apart because of how much she was shortening her canter. But thats why I asked for a critique cause I wasn't sure?? Was I right or wrong? I am starting to work with someone every so often to help us out.. but I cant afford it more then once every two weeks because I have a not so pretty car payment. haha.

Open to all advice .. I already know jumping isn't my strong point at all but I want to learn and improve.
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HAF, I am a bit concerned about the actual set-up of the jump in the still shot. Beyond what Maura said about the horse not being ready for the height, the jump itself is not set up correctly. The jump is set up in such a way that, should the horse knock a rail or - worse - crash into it for some reason, the poles would NOT just easily roll off a cup or fall to the ground - the whole jump would have to fall. With a correctly set-up jump, the poles should have an easy way of getting knocked loose. Never set up a jump where the horse is jumping into a pole that's resting sitting against a solid object.

If you feel the need to use an object that isn't designed to be used as a horse jump, please make sure that it's as safe as possible - this is ESPECIALLY important for a green jumper that's bound to make mistakes. If you feel the need to use that weird spool thing as a "standard" then put the poles on the other side, so if she hits a pole, it can roll off and fall to the ground.

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Everything used for the higher jump was all very light, easily knocked over. Even if she clipped it just right it would have knocked over. I can see where I could have set it up a little differently.

Hopefully this summer im gonna see if we can build some actual standards! which will be much better to move around and safer.

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It's unsafe because you are jumping with the pole on the side closest to you, if your horse hit it, the whole jump would come down.
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Never a line of three just two because that's where her confidence was. She can jump a full 2'3 course.. just 3 jumps in a line so close was past her comfort zone.
This is backwards thinking. "Three jumps in a line" or gymnastics or grids are MUCH easier for the horse than a single fence. When a gymnastic is set correctly the horse doesn't have to adjust stride or see a distance; the way the exercise is designed sets them up for success and builds confidence.

Conventional training involves lots of simple gymnastics and grids at low heights to teach the horse first, how and where to "wear" their fences safely, and later, to adjust their stride to jump from a difficult of wrong spot. Single fences and courses come much later as their flat work progreses as well.

The normal progresion of training is cavaletti (poles on the ground only), then cavaletti followed by a single fence, cavaletti followed by a simple gymnastic, then more complex gymnastics, then single fences with placement rails to assist the horse, then lines and other related distances, then simple courses all kept fairly low as the horse builds confidence. The horse should also be jumping higher in a gymnastic or something with a fail safe distance than she is a single fence or course. Somewhere between single fences and courses you do a lot of work developing pace, three clear speeds at the canter, and adjusting pace and balance between fences before attempting courses.

Jumping a full 2'3" course and a single fence of 3'3" on a horse that can't confidently negotiate the little gymnastic in the video is backwards and a little scary.

She's always been one to jump long rather then get to close to it.
Because you haven't *taught* her where to jump from to do it safely and correctly, her jumping from "downtown" is a result of inexperience and possibly a little fear.

She is a lovely horse with a good attitude and some real jumping ability.

There are lots of good books and resources out there on starting a young horse over fences, do yourself and your nice horse a favor and do some research. Figure out a safe, logical progression of training for her rather than just randomly pointing her at stuff and hoping she figures it out.
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Thanks for the thought out reply. Much appriciated. After reading everything I agree 100% with you. Deffinately wish I started with grids and stuff first with her because now I think its gonna take a little longer to retrain her .. which I have no problem spending the time doing because I want her to be jumping things correctly and with confidence and enjoy what shes doing. I have done trot poles.. raised trot poles.. trot poles to a jump.. but never focused on grids. For a while there jumping was just a every once in a while thing cause our main focus was dressage/hunt seat.. but I guess if I was gonna do it with her .. shoulda started doing it right. Eventually I want to event.

Thanks again.

If anyone has any links to some good exercises that would be great. I have the book 101 jumping exercises I think im gonna start doing some of the stuff in there.
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