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post #11 of 14 Old 09-06-2013, 05:10 PM
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MyBoy - you definitely got a chuckle out of me with this one. I never listen to the docs rest times, but I have only done minor things to myself also. I feel like a back and neck are more serious things.

Probably better to be on the safe side with a back involved.

Makes me think of the time I got kicked on a trail ride, broke my shin bone and started to ride back to camp with part of the group but thought to myself "I can't really feel the pain..." So I turned tail and galloped back to keep riding for another few hours. Never felt the pain... Until after I got off my horse. That's always how it goes, isn't it? ;)

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post #12 of 14 Old 09-08-2013, 02:56 AM
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You know, I agree with MyBoy on this one! In my experience, a horse that is BTV is not necessarily lighter on his forehand than one with a loose rein.

I also have a horse who struggled (and still does!) with falling on his forehand due to bad prior training. Looking back, the first thing I did with him was to get him over his hiding BTV and push him out on a looser rein. Just constantly pushing, pushing, pushing forward... if his head came up, we pushed forward. If he ducked BTV, we pushed forward. Now he'll accept contact beautifully and I can push him into a longer rein (to stretch) without him falling too forward. In fact, after working "in frame" I always reward him by walking/trotting/cantering on a loose rein to let him stretch over his topline-- and he does, but the whole time I am pushing his hind end up! (sidenote: it took lots of practice for him to realize that he could stretch over his topline, and that it feels gooooood, so you have to be patient!) Nowadays, even at the canter he'll stretch downward but give me a wonderful energy so that all I need to do is redirect a teensy bit to his butt and man, is it comfy! I think exercises like these help the horse understand it isn't about your hands.

I hope that some of this makes sense-- truth be told I'm a total amateur who ended up with a horse smart enough to figure me out! But this is what helped us. I really love Ollie, congrats on his progress! And-- feel better!
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post #13 of 14 Old 09-11-2013, 06:21 AM
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Rider is way to handsy, this isn't half halting that is pulling. A true half halt dosent start with your hands, and is used as a rebalancing tool. I agree that you should be using lateral work to teach this horse to use his hind end and free his shoulder instead of trying to pull him there. All you will do by yanking on the riens is teach him to go more BTV and brace his jaw. You need to teach him to free his shoulder and accept a giving following contact.
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Existentialpony- Agreed, that is our big thing forward and even in the contact with both reins. He just put hind shoes on him and I can see that it's making a huge helpful difference for him to be able to really push off and track up.

I have been off the forum for a little bit due to having to go into the ER again but am okay.

Yesterday I got to cool him out after his training ride.
He has had three more rides since last posting, really doing much better.
I so so happy. He has settled into the work with my trainer. She is able to be much softer with him. Softer, smoother, more fluid as a team. Very very fun to watch. He gets so proud of himself when he gets it right.

Lacy123. Yes she is half halting, they maybe big dramtic ones. But what he is doing is diving down, pulling all his weight onto his forehand. This horse is very very lazy and we are training him to become a rear engine horse,lift his chest,rock his weight back, lift his tummy and track up and forward.

The reason we are not letting the reins out and letting him stretch into it is because that is what we will do later when his weight is more rocked back...he takes full adavantage and pulls, looses balance now if we do that.

I wish I had video from yesterday's ride...it was amazing from his first training ride to yesterday...honestly I could see how happy and how proud he was when he got it right. full leg yeild steps, great spiraling outta canter from a 10 meter trot/walk circle.
Trantions that where so right there....histummywasup,his hind end was fully engaged,
His shoulders free and the steps up into trot and after where smooth from back to front. The trantions anciated from the hind leg and powered forward. So there was a steady relaxed poll, not BTV throughout the trantions or after.

He is going so much better off the inside leg....not 100% there yet but much more there then in the videos.

I hope all that makes sense, as I am just so happy all of that came out in a big rush, lol
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