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post #11 of 61 Old 10-26-2011, 10:12 AM
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Green 10 yr old grade gelding? Big red flag for me & essentially worthless in my neck of the woods. I would assume he is fairly pricey, judging by the professional pictures and beautiful presentation (not a Craigslist ad, for sure, lol). But if you like him and are willing to pay what they want, go for it. I would be asking ALOT of questions about this horse's past & why he's just started training at his age.
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post #12 of 61 Old 10-26-2011, 10:19 AM Thread Starter
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LOL, the photos, are taken by the person who has him at her facility, she is an awesome photographer and is excellent at marketing. She was the person who found Ace for me, so I'm favorably inclined towards her.

Here is Bens story

Ben belongs to a very aged gentleman, he and his wife both have troubles even getting around, but bred horses for many years. They bred some very neat and interesting crosses, all bred to produce great movement such as Hackney Arabian crosses (on awesome mare I trained for them back home.) Ben was in the group of horses that was one of the last that they bred. His age is within 2 years (The owner thinks he is 8 this year, but I put him as "ten" to be on the safe side). Like I said, very aged gentleman.

Ben was born, not handled, chuted, gelded and then untouched. He was brought to me the first time two years ago pretty much untouchable....and BIGGGGG lol We backed up to the arena, unloaded and herded him into a box stall. I'd let him into the arena, free longe, (round pen style) and herd him back in, and got the halter on in ten days. He was actually VERY easy to halter break thank GOD because he's huge hahaha. He was nervous and scared but ALWAYS very respectful! He learned quickly and I did get him saddled and bridled. That August I had a bad accident and broke my back. W came to pick up Ben and take him home since I wouldn't be able to continue. He was ready to back the trailer up and I said no no...he'll load. He was shocked at the progress Ben had made , loading into his tiny low roofed cattle trailer!

Fast forward to spring 2010.. W brought Ben back. He couldn't really afford to pay me so we made a deal... He wants a base price on the horse and I can have what ever I sell him for over that...however I broke my leg badly, and barely made it through my own show season.... SO Ben sat... He got some work done over last winter, then show season FILLED up my barn and he sat again. This summer C took him on as a project working as she had time, and since fall he's been in 4x a week now. He's saddled and bitted and very much more sacked out, she's done great with him. I am very pleased. We hope to start ground driving and riding him very soon!

This horse is absolutely captivating, he has such presence and his movement is TOO COOL! He will look SO INCREDIBLE as a dressage horse!
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post #13 of 61 Old 10-26-2011, 10:28 AM
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She may be a nice lady, but when you're trying to sell a horse, anything goes I'm afraid!

There are too many red flags in this for me. 8 or 10??? If the guys is/was a breeder, where are the papers? Nervous, now I appreciate he hasn't been handled, but do you really want a horse of a nervous disposition?

It sounds like any sort of formal training has been on and off with this boy too, I prefer something that has its training, then turned away. not turned away and then has its training ;)

Go and see him though, take someone with you, and look at other horses too as a comparison, don't just settle on the first you see.
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post #14 of 61 Old 10-26-2011, 11:21 AM
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He's magnificent, go for it. I'd wondered about a thickish throatlatch but perhaps it's just the pics. I'm sure he'll be awesome for lower level dressage or even better.
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post #15 of 61 Old 10-26-2011, 11:42 AM
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GH, it sounds like you two have a type of bond, and I don't ever discount the value of that. Life is just too short to deny yourself something that will enrich you, IMO. If you tell this person you would take him off their hands and give him a GREAT home, will that make a difference to them?
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post #16 of 61 Old 10-26-2011, 12:19 PM
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DuffyDuck, I'm betting there aren't any papers, he is a draft/thoroughbred/saddlebred cross. Sounds like his breeders didn't really have a breeding program per se, just bred random "neat and interesting" crosses.
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post #17 of 61 Old 10-26-2011, 01:14 PM
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It is hard not to be distracted by his beauty. Can't see much conformation wise although he looks to be a nice, solid type and defo my kind of horse.

Couldn't agree more with this:
Originally Posted by DuffyDuck View Post
Personally, for me, low level dressage isn't all about flashy gaits, its about having a horse that is calm enough, but has enough motor, to do what you want and what you ask for.
So I think a lot will depend on his attitude and trainability. Having very little training can actually be a huge bonus as starting from the start and doing it right the first time is easier than retraining bad habits, even with an older horse

I broke in a 13 year old last year and he was the easiest horse I have backed in a long time as he had a good mind and willingness to learn. Much much easier than trying to retrain an equivilent horse that has been subjected to ineffective/incorrect training throughout their life, so personally I wouldn't worry too much about his lack of training.

Price wise its hard to say, as Endiku mentioned, here in Texas he wouldn't fetch much at all (if anything) which is sad because he is a nice type. However, if I was in the market and liked his attitude I'd pay up to $1000 for him, papers don't mean diddly quat to me and I don't think you'll need them for what you want to do

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post #18 of 61 Old 10-26-2011, 02:02 PM Thread Starter
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I have zero issue with buying a gelding without papers for a using horse, or a dressage horse, papers mean diddley squat to the judge when you are in there.

IDK, he is highly priced for what he is me thinks, but you know what it's like when you see a horse, and then a while later he pops up again and you still like him.....BUT there is a complication I may be offered the chance to buy another horse that my heart screams IF YOU GET THE CHANCE JUST DO IT!!
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post #19 of 61 Old 10-26-2011, 03:08 PM
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I passed on a horse this past winter that I am still kicking myself over. Even though I found and am riding a great trail horse and one that is certainly a keeper, I still think about the one that got away.

Since the black has been around for a few years and is probably not going anywhere fast (possibility due to his high selling price for what he is). I would wait to see about the other horse before making up my mind.

As far as looks are concerned (pictures being what they are) - I certainly like what I see and black is always my preference.

I'm not arguing with you, I'm just explaining why I'm right.

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post #20 of 61 Old 10-26-2011, 03:15 PM
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I think you have already decided in your heart. You don't strike me as someone who makes frivolous decisions, so my guess is that you have already decided on this, after much thought, and that it is probably a good choice. I think he is stunning. The only thing negative that went through my head when I saw him was "hard to fit to a saddle, he's pretty wide" but maybe that's just the photo.
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