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post #1 of 15 Old 08-04-2011, 05:46 PM Thread Starter
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Please Critique Cinny and Me

I guess I'm ready for you guys to eat us up again. It's been about a year since that first truely horrible video (see Brutal Honesty Accepted Here).

Here we are a year later, a year wiser and...well, I still need to lose the weight.

The BIGGEST flaw I see in my riding is that my posting really really SUCKS. If feels right when I do it, but looking in the video you can barely tell my sitting trot from my rising. Do I need to raise my stirrups or something?

Yes, Cin still tosses his head, but I feel I am doing better at staying out of his face.

Okay, so rip us apart. I don't have a trainer right now so I really really need to be ripped apart :)

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post #2 of 15 Old 08-04-2011, 08:01 PM
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Jeez, I hate to tell you this...

Right hind or SI.

I know you must love Cinny and probably the only horse you have to ride, but his hind end is messed up. He's practically hopping. Going left, you see the resistance to step into the canter because the right hind is the strike off leg. Going right, he doesn't want to trot. It hurts to load the inside hind, and it's much easier to canter. Tracks both ways in trot and canter with his left hind stepping into the middle of his front feet to bear the weight.

I watched the old video and it was there then too. I'm sorry!
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Yikes... I have to agree with the above, he's off =(
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I agree with equinesalways, it looks like something is possibly hurting him, which could also lead to the head tossing. As for your position, raise your stirrups a few holes, the bar of the stirrup should hit the ball of your ankle. Bring your lower leg back alittle, you want your ankle, hip & ear in a line. You look like your posting from the back of your saddle, stay in the front of your saddle & you only need to post as big as he pushes you out of the saddle. Also at the working trot, bend about 20 degrees forward with your hip so you post over him. Bend your elbows more, you want softness from your elbow by opening & closing it, but you also want a straight line from your elbow to the bit. At the canter, soften up your back & hips slightly & follow his mouth with your hands. Although your position could use some work(like everyone's could, nobody's perfect!) it is a pretty good position for not having a trainer & it looks like you've made some improvement from a year ago!
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post #5 of 15 Old 08-04-2011, 08:49 PM Thread Starter
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Thank you for your critiques so far. I didn't really notice him being off as he is so smooth compared to how he used to ride. We have been working with a chiro because his sacroiliac joint tends to tighten up a bit on him. I'll make a call this week to make an appointment for another full eval on him. Last time the chiro said most of his issues were because he's still a tad on the green side and still learning to use his body but that was 6 months ago.

I will put my stirrups up a notch or two. When I post I usually only go as high as I am pushed from the saddle, but I do believe I could control that inertia a bit better.

I look forward to more comments :)
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post #6 of 15 Old 08-04-2011, 09:09 PM
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As for you. You have a nice upright position and hold your hands very steady , neither too high nor too low. You leg is pretty good, but I think one notch shorter will help you in the posting. I get a wee bit of a feeling of you falling behind the motion and your leg a bit out in front. this is exasperated by his hollowing out and not pushing from behind, and that looks like it might be connected to him having some kind of pain in the right rear. I could see unevenness there, but not so clearly whether right or left. But he does move really defensively in the hind.

YOur riding has improved a LOT! esepcially the consistency of your rein contact.
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I agree that the stirrups FOR YOU are 1 hole too long.

I can see something in the right hind but think it is higher up like the hock or maybe the stifle as it is more obvious when you start the trot and gets a bit better after a couple steps.

I don't think the rein contact is consistent though and while you ARE upright you could be sitting back a little more.

As I said in the other thread a good sit trot is like making sex and in your case...weeeeeeeeeeeeeeelll lets just say someone's part would have trouble getting a rhythm.

I also think for now that taking a slower trot you can cope with would be better for the both of you.
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post #8 of 15 Old 08-05-2011, 10:07 AM Thread Starter
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Thank you Tiny and Spyder, I always get such good advice from the both of you. I will re-adjust stirrups a bit and see if that helps and work more on the slower trots for a while. I'm also still working on loosing the weight LOL, I know that will help a lot. I had lost about 25 pounds but for some reason when I caught the flu a few months ago it all came right back and I didn't even eat :( Must work harder.

I have a vet/chiro (my vet is my chiro) scheduled for this afternoon so I'll let you guys know what he says. I was looking at the old vid and it seems like he is at least stretching his hind legs forward and under him more where before he barely moved them forward, they were just sort of along for the ride.
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Other have given you good advice already... I would be looking at also preparing him for those transitions a bit more... he tended to fall into the canter in the second half... and when you ask him to trot make sure he TROTS - doesnt have to be fast but forward into trot... (Although that may also be symptomatic of some form of discomfort)

Work in transitions between paces - so rather than canter > halt... canter>tort>canter> trot and the same between walk>halt>walk>trot>walk

Personally I would ride with a little more contact so he has something to work into.....

I havent seen your earlier videos but you have a nice general postion - good hands - legs dont move too much
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post #10 of 15 Old 08-05-2011, 05:16 PM Thread Starter
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Doc came out this afternoon to re-eval Cinny. He watched and videod him at play in the turn out, on the lunge and with me riding. He then watched his first eval and says he actually sees improvement and to not worry too much. He says he doesn't really seem him off so much as working like he is inexperienced (which he somewhat is). His Sacroiliac is still stiffening up so he got another adjustment today as well as some more exercises/stretches to do before and after rides as well as on days off. I was also advised to not let him be lazy on days off, but instead handwalk him, and do other light ground work to keep him loose.

He also said to start introducing caveletti and try to bring him up to trotting over slightly raised caveletti about4-6 inches high (by hand not ridden). Doc says he thinks his problem is that he is being lazy in using his body correctly and that is what is causing the stiffness in the hind and that it's not uncommon in horses that were started off as late in life as he was (7 years).

So, it's more work work work work.
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