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        11-27-2010, 11:20 PM
      #11
    Yearling
    Honestly, based on these photos, this horse should've been gelded "yesterday". He may not be, actually, as ill conformed as these shots make him look... but I can't say that for sure, and, if you had to have my answer right this minute, it would be this " Tell your friend's NO" and go over all the many reasons why simply breeding a horse for it's color is a waste of time and money - if you like a color pattern, go buy it.

    IF you can put up some good conformation shots of him, in good light, and they happen to reveal something that is "reproduction" worthy of him, or if he has a show record which PROVES he can perform... I would happily change that point of view. With the information and photos you've given though... snip snip.

    Do your friends want to breed to him because they figure (or you will) give them a break on the stud fee... or simply because he's colored? If it's the fact that they want a "cheap" breeding, remind them - please - of the time and expense that it takes to produce foals. Then there's always the risk of injury or death of the mare, and/or foal... and on your side, since I'm assuming it would be some form of live cover, risk of injury to your stallion as well.

    The rear shot indicates to me that this horse could use a little more fat covering as well - certainly before anyone considers using him as a stud. Breeding takes a lot of energy out of a stallion, so you most certainly don't want them starting lean. Use that as an excuse to your friends, if good common sense isn't good enough and doesn't reach them!

    Again, if you want a favorable, or more favorable, feedback then post your horse looking his best, or show us some show records, or photos/video of him doing "something" and then we'll see.
         
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        11-28-2010, 12:08 AM
      #12
    Weanling
    Well im not really one to critiqe horses he does have a nice color but im sure these pics don't do him justice to what he maybe so personally I think he is pretty markings but looking at his breeding nothing really stands out to me personally ? How old is he is he still really young? I think there are alot of Stellar studs out there that would make Absoultly amazing Geldings that people could really enjoy and the horse can enjoy life too .. its my personal belive it takes a Exceptional horse to go on breed to pass that on to thier offspring I think ya did a good thing picking this guy up but I think by the looks of him in these pics he is in that Absoultly amazing gelding section .... I hope ya truely think this through as with the economy like it is there are TONS of horse out there that are homeless .. Is there maybe a Stud already standing that's related to you lil guy they could look at ? I say just really thin k it throw ask your farrier vet thier opinions and then decide don't let friends bully you in to a corner :)
         
        11-28-2010, 12:39 AM
      #13
    Showing
    I'm going to have to side with Reining Girl and Last Unicorn. That stud is most certainly not breeding quality. His head is big and clunky, his neck is too thick. He has a nest, meaning there is no definition between his neck and his chest. His shoulder is too steep, his back might as well be a 2x4 as straight and flat as it is and it also has a bit of a roach. His entire hind end is wonky; his croup is too steep, he is severely sickle hocked and cow hocked and, while it may be how he is standing, he also appears to have a dropped hip. That could be caused by either an injury or by a deformity.

    Please geld him ASAP and don't breed him to anything. There are already millions of unwanted good horses out there, we don't need more floating around that are less than mediocre.
         
        11-28-2010, 12:58 AM
      #14
    Showing
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    Originally Posted by smrobs    
    I'm going to have to side with Reining Girl and Last Unicorn. That stud is most certainly not breeding quality. His head is big and clunky, his neck is too thick. He has a nest, meaning there is no definition between his neck and his chest. His shoulder is too steep, his back might as well be a 2x4 as straight and flat as it is and it also has a bit of a roach. His entire hind end is wonky; his croup is too steep, he is severely sickle hocked and cow hocked and, while it may be how he is standing, he also appears to have a dropped hip. That could be caused by either an injury or by a deformity.

    Please geld him ASAP and don't breed him to anything. There are already millions of unwanted good horses out there, we don't need more floating around that are less than mediocre.
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        11-28-2010, 01:03 AM
      #15
    Weanling
    I have to agree, those pictures don't do him any justice. He definitely isn't breeding quality.

    Why? Because he doesn't stand out as a top performance horse, you don't have any show records for him that you've posted here, why breed him and create an average foal in a backyard breeding situation that will most likely end up with a foal that ends up in a sale barn or kill pen. Or worse.

    Geld him.
         
        11-28-2010, 01:41 AM
      #16
    Foal
    He has cute markings. :)

    When you posted yesterday you said that he would be gelded on the 1st and that you were not going to be breeding him. What reasons lead you to make that decision? And what reasons have now caused you to reconsider your original plan?
         
        11-28-2010, 02:03 AM
      #17
    Foal
    Snip snip... quick!!!he looks like a lovely gelding wanna be.... I have been a rescue volunteer and have seen tons nicer horses that went to kill... horrible yes, but most were backyard bred for just the same reasons... ooohhh nice color! Or worse I like babies..... well once you've seen horses going to slaughter it gives you a very different picture of what should be a breeding stallion... ONLY exceptional individuals with a show record, correct conformation.. etc etc...
         
        11-28-2010, 01:56 PM
      #18
    dee
    Started
    Oh hun, I'm going to tell you the same thing I told my son in law when he said he wanted a stallion. Keeping a stallion for breeding is a lot of work and expense. You can't treat them the same way you would a regular backyard horse. No matter how gentle they are, they can suddenly become extremely aggressive - toward another horse, or worse, toward a human being - resulting in injury and/or death to one or the other parties.

    The son in law didn't listen to me and brought home a stallion, in spite of being told absolutely no stallions. Scooter is normally a real sweetie, but he has his moments, and therefore cannot be trusted. He's violently agressive toward geldings if they are in the same pasture as he is. He's fine with them as long as they are on the other side of the fence, but that presents a real problem for us as there is just not that much room for a lot of separate pens on our property.

    Son in law also turned the stallion in with my mare, Dancer. We got a really cute filly as a result, but Dancer has had a really hard time of it. Not something you or your friends need to deal with. Not to mention that colts/fillies can be dangerous in their own right - without even meaning to be. Son in law's stud colt is terrible about biting and kicking - so now the grandkids can't go play in the pasture. Rain is a bit nippy - normal for a baby horse, but if she bites one of the grandkids, she could do some serious damage. The kids don't know what to watch for or how to react to it to prevent the bite.

    Maintaining and breeding a stallion is not something that should be taken lightly, and certainly not by someone without adequate experience. Not saying you don't have it, but still...why?

    Horses - good riding horses, are a dime a dozen in these parts. They have to be rescued every day from owners who no longer have the funds to adequately care for them. Is that something you would wish on your guy's babies? The ones I see being rescued are beautifully colored, and some are even beautifully bred from quality stock, so even the well bred ones often come to a bad end.

    Even if it meant giving up Rain, if I could go back and prevent that breeding between son in law's poor quality but beautifully colored paint stallion and my Dancer, I certainly would - for Dancer's sake.
         
        11-28-2010, 06:17 PM
      #19
    Foal
    Thanks everyone

    Thanks for the feedback and yes he was wormy and yes he is way underweight and yes I will get better shots up of him still not sure what I wanna do with him. Thanks again!
         
        11-28-2010, 06:35 PM
      #20
    Foal
    New pics

    Just for the record I have only had him since last Saturday that is one week, he is underweight and his feet need trimmed so what do ya think now!
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