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post #1 of 11 Old 03-28-2012, 09:46 AM Thread Starter
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Question Please critique my dressage test

I would like to present you a video of my dressage test from last competitions and get your judgements. I changed a club and a trainer 3 month ago and before it my horse had had 7 month of total rest with out been ridden at all. I believe that I improved my riding a lot. However, I am concerned about developing much further. Because of that, I would really appretiate it if you told me about my strong and weak poitns. And would be extremaly grateful if you scored my test (here is the link I have doing dressage fo 1,5 year.
About my horse. This is Betta, mare, 7 y.o. She is Orlov Trotter. We together started doing dressage. Before me, she had been jumping.

This a video of my test. It consists of 2 parts, because unfourtaneoutly I forgot an element and had to start again from previous element.

Now a little bit about what I think myself. My really weak points are extended walk, half pirouette to the right, flying changes. Elements I think I did quite good: trot itself and half passes.

And could you please estimate submission, as I have been working really hard to persuade her to trust me and to accept the reins.

Thank you in advance And please forgive me for my English

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post #2 of 11 Old 03-28-2012, 07:09 PM
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You are a lovely rider and competing far beyond my level. The only insight I have is from a recent video I watched regarding the extended trot. He said the majority of riders try to produce the extension immediately and throw the horse off balance, and rather roll it out gradually over the first few strides.

Kayty and Anabel are both upper level riders. Hopefully they will see your post and provide a critique for you.

Your English is very good by the way.
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What a lovely horse! I know nothing about advanced dressage, I wish I did. ;)
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post #4 of 11 Old 03-28-2012, 08:47 PM
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you ride beautifully! I could not ever hope to ride as well. The only thing I could see was occasionally your hands flattened out and a couple of times it looked like your core muscles were a bit soft and you fell forward a little, but maybe that's from lack of riding.
Your horse is lovely and you are a very, very nice pair.
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tinyliny, Rooshuman, MyBoyPuck Thank you for your lovely comments=)

Hope Kayty and Anabel will visit my thread
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So you are riding FEI Juniors - that's awesome! Good for you for taking the leap.
A couple things to consider in general about riding the FEI Junior tests.
First of all in most places (North America and in any FEI sanctioned competitions) you will be required to wear a short dressage jacket and an approved helmet in competitions. I don't know how the rules are where you are competing though.
Next thing to consider is that this is an FEI level and you are being judged to an international standard. The scoring for an FEI Junior test is going to be harsher than in the corresponding national level (For North Americans - this is 3rd/4th test one). The judges are expecting to see a Junior on a well schooled horse that has already been trained to, and beyond, the level.

Now for the critique:
The Trot - overall there is a lack of collection, the horse needs to rock back onto the haunches and develop more cadence. Right now the trot is choppy and very "up-and-down" and does not give you a place to sit. This is especially evident in the extended trot where the horse is tugging itself along with the front end and you are forced to lean forward and bounce along. Half halts, transitions and lots of long and low work will help this.
(To MBP - about the extensions - perhaps in the lower levels that is acceptable, but on an FEI horse you need to really feel the horse powering off from the haunches in the first stride. When the horse is doing a correct extension it feels like a freight train and you have to half halt and contain that.)
Now for you in the trot, you sit nice but it appears that you are not balancing and preparing the horse for any movement. In the corner before the shoulder in you have to half halt and prepare to bring the shoulders around in a controlled manner, in the shoulder in you have to half halt and bring the horse into the volte on a line and then you have to prepare the horse to straighten and ride into the next volte. You have to ride 5 meters ahead of where you are currently and not just kind of fling the horse into the next movement - preparation is how "8"s are made. Then your half passes. These are actually your worst movement in the trot as they are ridden incorrectly. The first half pass (to the left) is videoed from a great teaching angle. Where the videographer is standing, in that half pass it should appear as if the horse from the shoulders forward is trotting straight towards the camera, as if on a diagonal. The inside leg keeps the shoulders going straight ahead while the outside leg bends the haunches around. The second half pass shows how poorly the movement is executed and is more in line with what the judge is seeing. The horse is resisting and the haunches are days ahead of the forehand. The forehand MUST ALWAYS lead. Always, always, always. Riding with the haunches too far ahead and the forehand positioned incorrectly causes the horse to have to resist and fling her neck around to stay balanced. In a correct half pass, the front legs are tracking straight on a diagonal line and the haunches are bent around, but the forehand is still leading.

The walk - Again the horse is lacking collection. She is also going completely lateral and shows no difference between the collected, extended and medium walks as well as being resistive. What I would work on here is taking her to a halt and wait for her to be still. Then ask for one step and then halt again, take a step, halt, take a step, halt. And do this until she will wait for you. Try to get the halt on a seat aid that she will listen to while walking. I'm not going to critique the walk pirouettes as the horse is obviously blowing right through the aids in both of them.

The Canter - the mare has a great naturally uphill canter, but you let her get away from you. Yes she is tense - don't be afraid to put an aid on her though. You definitely ride like a passenger through the whole canter tour and again are not preparing her for any movement, not sticking to your lines and not half halting. Every three strides in the collected canter I want you to half halt so hard you could do a rein back. AND THEN three times in each corner AND THEN before and after every movement you need to half halt again. And for goodness sake get those haunches over to the right. Put your left leg on hard until she yields and raise your left hand up about a foot if that doesn't work. Those hind legs must be in a straight line right behind her front legs. The more direction you give the horse and the more you tell her, put your body here and go at this speed and do not go faster, the more she will relax.
As far as the changes you need to half halt so hard you feel like you could do a rein back, ask and then half hat so hard you feel like you could do a rein back. I can see the changes are in there - you just have to ride them.

Overall - I see a talented horse and rider with potential for some great scores. However. You have to get in there and ride. Yes the horse is tense and forward. Put more aids on then. She is obviously the alpha mare in this relationship and takes over in the test because you aren't there to take that role. Ride like the herd boss. Ride exactly on your lines at exactly the speed you want with the horse precisely lined up as you want her and do not expect any less.
You sit very well and have great hands and posture. Shes not going to buck you off, so you need to learn to use your equitation to be more of a driver and less of a passenger.

Good luck!!

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Thanks for posting and asking for a critique. It helps us lower level riders learn so much!
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Now THAT's a critique!!!!
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Overall, kudos for showing at that level, and you have a lovely mare!

I would work on getting your lower leg more underneath you, sit deeper and bring your shoulders back farther & engage your core. Your leg shows instability; it should stay loose and relaxed, but still hang close against the horse's sides - your toes are turning out and it appears that you're trying to brace against the stirrups.

Your horse seems tense overall, but it really shows at the walk. I would really put some thought into what might be causing her discomfort. My mind always goes to saddle first, especially since it appears that her saddle is fairly far forward on her shoulders. The front of the saddle should at least be sitting behind the scapula. Ideally, you want to determine how far back the scapula slides when the leg is at it's full extension, and place the saddle so that the stirrup bar sits behind this point. If your saddle is pinching, you will never get your horse to tuck her hind end, round her back, raise her withers, step out in front and relax onto the bit.
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Finally, I`ve got the Internet again=)
Anebel, Clementine Thank you for your pieces of advice. I will take them into consideration and remember all you mentioned while working with my horse.
Thanks again for a valuable information you provided me, I extremely appreciate it.
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