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post #11 of 19 Old 04-26-2013, 03:16 PM
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With the leg you mean I should have heels more down? I'm an eventer at the moment and have done a lot of XC training lately. I'm pretty sure my show jumping form has changed due that one as well :(
All the weigh is in the stirrup ;P It's just that I don't push the heel down but instead "stand" on the ball of my foot. That way it is easier to maintain the two-point and my gravity point stays correct. So in regular jumping I should try to go back with the heel down more to prevent the leg sliding back? It doesn't affect my balance whatsoever in the saddle as far as I can feel.
Absolutely, heels down. It's for your safety, not about form for the sake of form. And while I agree that you maintain your balance, it makes me quesy looking at it. I too train as an eventer, and this is advice given to me constantly by my instructor. (And by the way, you're a better jumpter than me.) This advice is true for both show jumping and cross country.

And it's not just that your heels should be lower, but that all your weight should be resting in your heels. That way if something happens, you might stay in the tack. And while you're right, you're balanced as is, you're balanced on a pivot point and not with a firm foundation under you.

Hope this helps.

ETA: Try clamping your legs against the horse's side to maintain the two point in the field. Try that with the heels down rather than standing in the stirrups.

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They bay is westfalen (not sure how to write it).
And the grey one is PSH x thoroughbred... the worst mix I have ever stumbled on. But she formed out pretty well.
And like I said it was a one time slip in my attire. Will not happen again. Well yeah I do ride with sneakers when I'm bareback sometimes.

Onuilmar - my eventing trainer coached an Olympic eventing team...I trust what he says and he has never failed me so far. But I will try to work out a compromise here between my heels and me =)
But when you constantly push your heels down doesn't it make you fall "back" more? When I started eventing I had this problem almost all the time. And when my instructor asked me to move my weigh more to the point that is actually on the stirrup I only managed to keep my two point for a short while. But looking back it trained my lower leg good and helped me recover quicker later =)
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You really need to lower the jumps and go back to the basics to build a more solid foundation. It's not your heels that are the problem. It's your whole leg and base of support. You're pinching with your knees and just perching yourself up instead of using your core muscles for balance. Your release is less than ideal. Almost looks like you're just pointing and aiming the horse at the jump and hoping to make it over instead of really supporting the horse.

You would really benefit from lots of no stirrup-no rein work over grids. A good exercise for your core is going stirrupless at the trot and leaning back in the saddle just enough to feel the burn in your stomach. Out of the saddle, lots of sit ups/crunches, calf raises (with either dumb bells or fill two book bags with heavy textbooks and hold them at your sides), lunges, and stretching.
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BTW, tere nendele kes on eestis.

I yield to CK on why, but I think you are in a precarious situation. And I don't doubt that your eventing coach is higher up the scale than mine. However, I see you on a pivot point and so do the others. That's not a firm place as any small amount of weight will cause you to tip.

It maybe as CanterKlutz and the others say that the remedy is work without irons, etc to strengthen the core.

And the Europeans jump differently than the Americans, according to my instructor. Watching the Olympic jumping video posted here on this forum by Jake and Dai was an eye opener for me. Many of those Olympic athletes violated many safety rules for jumping that I have been taught.

And as an old lady, I value safety. As I said, you are a better jumper than I and I wish you the best of luck.
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onuilmar - elan hetkel veel siiski Taanis =)

By no means did I try to turn over anything anyone said here. Since it has been long time (a month) when I had a second pair of good eyes on me while I'm jumping I decided to get a bit help from here :)
I will be doing more strengthening work beside the jumping from now on. And also try to work on my heel position.
I'm the kind of rider who always questions everything and everyone since I want to know why, how and when so I could make the best out of all the advice and instructions given. So when my coach says to do something I always want to know why and how will it help me =) That's why I'm asking a bit more here =)

Canterklutz- how low is low for me? I don't jump these height every training. Most of the trainings I will stay around 2-3' and do lot of detailed work (gymnastics, turns and so on). Would that still be ok? And I can tell it would be impossible to jump either of the horses without supporting them the whole way. The bay is easier but she gets easily distracted by everything else around her. And I will add some of that to me rehab. Exercise list as well thank you =)
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On the second horse especially, your back is roached and you have no contact from the knee down. If you stand straight up in the tack, let all your weight sink into your heels, and then almost sit down in the saddle, that's where you body should be when jumping. You obviously can jump the jumps, but the form is lacking. Stronger core for flatter back, open your upper body, redistribute your lower leg so you're not pinching with your knee. I think at your experience level, this could all be fixed quickly. Love the horses.

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Biggest issue for me is that you're pinching with your knees and have no base of support; everything else stems from that.
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post #18 of 19 Old 04-30-2013, 09:21 PM
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Drop your weight in your heels more , definitely give more release over the jump and landing and stick out your booty and drop your chest on his neck a little more but remember to keep your eye up when you drop your chest . Good luck !
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post #19 of 19 Old 05-20-2013, 07:12 PM
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I've noticed your leg has slipped back A LOT. Try keeping your heels down and squeezing you calves ''around'' the horse. Which means tighten your calves into the side of the horse a few strides before the jump to keep your horse going onward towards the jumps and it helps you balance going over the jump.
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