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post #1 of 10 Old 11-24-2008, 08:26 PM Thread Starter
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please critique. xc pictures

please critique the following pictures from an event this summer as harshly as desired
i now that i am to far forward (drastically in at least one of them)
i am trying to get myself to stay back more (any idea?)
and i also think i need to release more so i don't hang onto his mouth
thanks,
hallie and holden
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post #2 of 10 Old 11-24-2008, 09:06 PM
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Sit back down into the saddle before your jumps. He needs you for balance and you'll be able to feel him better. You should sit up more or less straight until the horse takes off.

cute pony!
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post #3 of 10 Old 11-24-2008, 09:10 PM Thread Starter
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thanks!
i don't mean to sounds difficult, but in the past i have sat before the jumps, but then he rushes (not so dandy) so this summer (with a new trainer) i was working on staying out of the saddle a little more so i wouldn't be "driving" with my seat, but i know i need to sit up more, but i just can't really figure out how!
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post #4 of 10 Old 11-25-2008, 04:27 AM
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Teach the horse to stop rushing. Good position shouldn't be compromised for a training issue.
Other wise, looks cute and willing.
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post #5 of 10 Old 11-25-2008, 10:10 AM
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something that i wantwed to point out...by staying out of the saddle you are staying in his mouth a lot... this also has an affect on him. have you tried a half seat??? befor going straight to no seat??? my gelding use to rush too and i started riding half seat i was better balanced and he was began to relax and not rush.

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Some horses just don't respnd well to a deep seat before each jump. If your horse prefers a lighter seat and it isn't due to a training issue (meaning you can approach a jump in both a light and deep seat while maintaining control) then use a ligher seat. Some of the TB's I train prefer a lighter seat, while most of the warmbloods do best with a deep driving seat.

With that being said, you do not neccessarily drive the horse every time you sit. A deep seat can also slow and regulate your horses tempo by engaging/stiffening the abdominals/hips therefore blocking the following motion of your seat and causing your horse to slow his stride.

As a previous poster stated, make sure you stay out of his mouth while in two point. I'm guessing this is in an attempt to slow him, try to use your seat to regulate his tempo _and this can only be acheived by using a deeper seat). If you'd rather not use a deep seat the whole time, than only use it when going around a turn of when you are preparing to stop or collect.

I think I may have a suggestion as to why your hrose is boting. You are very loose over jumps, in one pic you are getting left behind and sitting before he finishes his jump. If you reoutinely do this, your hrose will anticipate this and rush the jumps to get it over with.

You are also throwing yourself forward over each jump, very ahead of the horses motin. A hot horse will feel this sudden, thrusting motion and react accordingly. A steady seat to, over, and after the jump will encourage steadiness in your horse's stride before and after the jump.

Make sure your horses faults are not due to errors in your riding position.

I would shorten your stirrups a hole or two, right now your are reaching for your stirrups and thus loosing your lower leg to the rear. It is rotating back into your horses side and this could also be another huge factor in your horse rushing.

good luck!!!!!!
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post #7 of 10 Old 11-25-2008, 10:08 PM
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Your hands are in the same place for each picture and it looks like you have a constant pull in his mouth. I would like to see your hands a little higher up his neck..

I agree with the pp.. take your stirrups up a hole or two.
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post #8 of 10 Old 11-26-2008, 07:32 PM Thread Starter
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thank you everyone
i realize i may sounds kind of ridiculous asking this but...
paintedride- want to you mean by a half seat versus "no seat"
i just ask this because i had always taught that half seat, two point, and jumping position were all the same thing..so just trying to clarify...

In the past, he was ridden by a very deep driving seat (and he rushed) and i have kind of tried to counteract it (probably totally wrong thing to do) with a lighter seat (but now it seems i am TOO light in my seat and i am pulling his mouth and really forward)...

thanks again!
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thank you everyone
i realize i may sounds kind of ridiculous asking this but...
paintedride- want to you mean by a half seat versus "no seat"
i just ask this because i had always taught that half seat, two point, and jumping position were all the same thing..so just trying to clarify...

In the past, he was ridden by a very deep driving seat (and he rushed) and i have kind of tried to counteract it (probably totally wrong thing to do) with a lighter seat (but now it seems i am TOO light in my seat and i am pulling his mouth and really forward)...

thanks again!
You can make you seat lighter even when you are sitting in the saddle by not pumping with your body and sitting gently as if you are floating on the saddle as opposed to really sinking into it. You may have heard of keeping your horse "between your legs." I think to get that control without sacrificing position, you're going to need to sit in the saddle as lightly as possible. Like a few other people said, shorten those stirrups a few holes and over the jumps, work on sliding your hands about 6 inches farther up the horses neck than they are in the pictures.

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post #10 of 10 Old 12-11-2008, 11:14 AM
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Definitely figure outfor sure if it's your error or your horse's before you try anything differently. My horse started rushing to jumps in October, and because I didn't have time to take any lessons with my fall sport, I automatically blamed myself and tried to fix the problem without a second party. To say the least, no matter what I tried differently I absolutely couldn't figure out what I was going wrong so I just learned to ride out her crazy jumps like nothing until about a month ago when I had time to take a lesson. As it turns out, it was a little bit of both me and my horse. My trainer immediately noticed that Lena was over anticipating the jumps, and in effect decided 5 strides ahead of it that the only way that she could get over it was to rocket towards it. So it wasn't really my fault to start, BUT I was fueling the fire by becoming frustrated with her, so I would tense up a few strides before the jump, and she would feel that and think "JUMP TIME!" and take off like a big crazy.

Here's how I'm fixing the problem. (Yeah, she's better but there's always room for improvement) In the arena, I set up a vertical (between 2'3-2'9 for Lena, because she takes 3' like cake) along the shoulder of the rail, and I leave enough room on the rail to confortably canter inbetween the jump and the edge. I only use about half of the arena to canter in a nice 20 meter circle, passing the jump each time which is strategically placed at a point in the circle where if I decide to take it, I can just turn her into it and take it in about 2 or 3 strides. (ie; the jump has to be close enough to your "turning in spot" so that your horse doesn't think about it.) So, when I get a nice relaxed canter out of her a for few circles I randomly point her into the jump, without changing anything about my position or on her. The first night I tried this she got it after about 3 tries.

The main thing you have to pay attention to with this is that you maintain a constant, relaxed position. I ride in 3-point but have to sit on Lena's back 2 strides before the jump so that she uses her butt to push off, but I don't DRIVE her to the jump, give her leg, kick, nothing. So when I approach the jump in this exercise, I just lightly sit back and lightly pop up and down in the saddle and then fold when she takes the jump.

If you want me to doodle a diagram of how the arena should look I'd be more than happy to.
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