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        10-17-2012, 07:38 PM
      #11
    Foal
    She is slouching forward a tiny bit ! Tell her to sit back, with her back nice and straight and her arms will find their place... she looks good ! Wishing her luck for the show .. :)
         
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        10-26-2012, 08:42 PM
      #12
    Foal
    I don't think she is slouching but rather making up the for length of rein she has. She has a good seat and nice position of leg. I'll second the opinions of a little more rein given which will allow her shoulders back. That will give her the freedom to position her arms as needed with less. I feel a "tense" feeling from the rein and shoulders foward position. Like she is fighting maybe a forward falling feeling from not being rolled back in the shoulder herself. :) She is going to be a star!
         
        10-26-2012, 09:09 PM
      #13
    Trained
    Alrighty, now that people have had their say, I will voice my concern. Which is not about the OPs daughter in particular -- it's about small children on full size horses. Keep in mind, I have no experience with this please.

    I don't understand how anyone is supposed to learn proper techniques when the equipment they are learning on is too big for them. In this case, the horse. When we take part in a sport, we use equipment suitable for our size, weight and skill level. So, as a small beginner, I would use a small, calm horse. Not necessarily a pony, but a very small horse. A large beginner would use a larger, calm horse. The more experience and knowledge we get, increases the variety of sizes, temperaments and skill level of the horses that are suitable.

    If I compare this to skiing: ski length should be appropriate to the height of the skier, regardless of age. Ski shape should be appropriate to skill level and style and terrain. There is no way I would ever put a 4 foot tall person on the same ski as a 6 foot tall person if they are both at the same skill level (ie. Not expert).

    So, tell me please -- how does it work to put such a tiny person on a horse that, to me, looks far too large for the rider?

    IMO, part of the difficulty the OPs daughter is having is that there is just too much physical distance for her to cover in her riding position - both horizontally and vertically.
         
        10-26-2012, 11:02 PM
      #14
    Yearling
    I learned to ride on a full size horse. This picture is my very first lesson. I was 5. I rode that mare for many years. Most ponies I have ridden, I might add, were nightmares to say the least. I would put my child on a Quarter Horse, before I would sit them on a Shetland, anyday!
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        10-26-2012, 11:38 PM
      #15
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    Originally Posted by NorthernMama    
    small children on full size horses. Keep in mind, I have no experience with this please.

    I don't understand how anyone is supposed to learn proper techniques when the equipment they are learning on is too big for them. In this case, the horse. When we take part in a sport, we use equipment suitable for our size, weight and skill level. So, as a small beginner, I would use a small, calm horse. Not necessarily a pony, but a very small horse. A large beginner would use a larger, calm horse. The more experience and knowledge we get, increases the variety of sizes, temperaments and skill level of the horses that are suitable.

    If I compare this to skiing: ski length should be appropriate to the height of the skier, regardless of age. Ski shape should be appropriate to skill level and style and terrain. There is no way I would ever put a 4 foot tall person on the same ski as a 6 foot tall person if they are both at the same skill level (ie. Not expert).

    So, tell me please -- how does it work to put such a tiny person on a horse that, to me, looks far too large for the rider?
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    I don't think the ski analogy works really.

    My now seven year old son started riding when he could sit, and his last pony was a 12hh welsh cross. He joined pony club when he was 4 and came off lead rein when he was five. His legs only got past the saddle when he hit six and a half, partly because he's small, and mainly because the pony was round!

    The point I'm making is that whatever size the equine, a small child won't be able to get his or her legs to 'wrap around' as us adults do. In the UK it's extremely rare to see kids on horses, and the pony club world is stuffed with little round ponies. However, I have observed that in North America a lot of children ride larger horses perfectly competently. I think part of the reason is the Western reining and braking techniques don't require quite so much arm muscle as riding English can do.

    Arguably, a bigger horses trot and canter is a lot more comfortable than a little ponies, and so easier to learn. What's far more important than size is attitude and training. I'd range put my son on a well behaved horse than an evil pony.


    All that being said, I am now on the hunt for a pony here, and am looking for a 12hh -12.2 pony. But this is more because that's what he's used to - if someone points me at a perfect 14.2 I'd be happy.
         
        10-27-2012, 06:52 PM
      #16
    Trained
    I don't see why the ski analogy doesn't work.

    I did say that I wouldn't put a child on a pony either. I don't like ponies in general and find they have too much personality and independence (read: pigheaded-ness!) for a novice rider.
         
        10-27-2012, 08:59 PM
      #17
    Started
    The ski analogy doesn't work.

    I ski and snowboard.

    You could use huge skis or tiny ones. You get used to what you have. I started out on a quarter horse and I turned out just fine.

    I rode skis that were too big for me, I've ridden boards that are too small.

    ^they weren't too big or too small. It's comfort and preference. Might take some getting used to, but what doesn't?
         
        10-28-2012, 10:49 PM
      #18
    Trained
    Ya, okay. We can do all kinds of things - ride horses that are too big for us, or too advanced for us (I did that one), use skis that are too big for us or too stiff for us, lift weights that are too heavy for us - whatever.

    I am referring here to people that are trying to learn correctly in whatever activity. Fact of the matter is, if we go back to skiing (since I used to instruct), a 4', 80 lb kid can not control a pair of 175 skis properly unless said child has already learned a good base on a pair of 110's. And even then, the shear length of the child's legs determines how much the child will have to overcompensate weight shifting on those too-long skis. And with the skis we have now, it's about turning your foot - sorry, but a child size foot with 80 lbs can't turn what a adult's size foot with 120 lbs can.

    Yes, a child can learn on a horse. I encourage horses over ponies everyday, but only because it's hard to find a good pony. But are we going to put a 4' child on a 18h Percheron and teach them how to jump? No? Well, why not? If it's all the same? Because it's NOT the same. Said child would fair better on a 14.2h Quarterhorse. It's the physical limitations of size I'm referring to. Even better if there was a "un-evil" pony, but we do have to use what is available after all. :)

    Acch, I wish I knew more about the technical part of riding to give an example for riding. Leg commands for sure are messed up and worse as the size difference increases. For just walking, trotting and cantering without any commands except through weight shifts and reins, I can see how size doesn't matter as much. But when we talk about jumping and dressage, I just don't get how it can work.

    Maybe I should shut up now. I wish I had more resources so I could learn more. <sigh>
         
        10-29-2012, 05:37 PM
      #19
    Foal
    Important considerations for a beginner: learning balance, steering and timing on a well trained, spook-free individual that likes to "take care" of it's rider.. I.e likely to stop gently if it feels them sliding around... A lot of the really nice ones are voice trained. The only real problem I would see with a little one on a horse is the distance to the ground if they do happen to fall off. Otherwise, a nice babysitter type is welcome in my barn any day of the week, 12.2 or 16.2 Don't care.
    But that's just me.
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        10-29-2012, 07:04 PM
      #20
    Weanling
    I am a tiny person, 105 lbs, 5'3, I look like a peanut on most horses and always have, just cause someone is to small for a big horse doesn't mean they can't be an effective rider! :)
         

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