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post #1 of 11 Old 10-24-2011, 12:57 PM Thread Starter
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Pony Club Horse critique

Hi All,

My daughter is looking for a new english project and has narrowed it down to two horses. She is a C2 in Pony Club, so for those of you familiar with their ratings you would kind of know what she is looking for. Both of these horses are really green, which is fine. She gets along great with them both. I have not seen them in person as her father took her to try them. My opinion off of the video (the trainer is riding them) is the warmblood (Heston) looks a little weak in the gaskin, looks like he could be camped out a bit if he was squared up. He is only four, so still looks gangly and obviously they are not jumping him high yet and he would be staying in training for a while longer.He is the one that my husband like for potential talent. The black is a 5 year old 17 hand Appendix. She really liked him, but he does paddle on one of his fronts. What do you guys think? :) Anyway, we will be heading back tomorrow to look again.

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post #2 of 11 Old 10-24-2011, 09:43 PM
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I agree with you... Heston just doesn't look like he's done growing. He's all gangly and has a light hind quarters. Honestly, nothing about him made me want to keep watching his vid. He seems unimpressed with the jumping. Granted these are wee little fences.

As for Jethro, the paddle can be a concern on an eventer. Anything beyond perfect conformation will cause extra wear and tear. I'd have him vetted thoroughly. However, he is the better mover, even with all his fussing. He just seems more balanced. He also seems to have some interest in jumping.

It's hard to tell if either will be anything beyond a C level horse. They're both green. Though my bet is Jethro is athletic. He also has good classical movement, so he could easily flip flop between Hunters, Eventing and Dressage. Your daughter may not be interested in Hunters (though I hear that's coming to PC), but it's always good to think of resale should the day come.

Where does your daughter plan on going? Is she aiming for her C3 or does she want to go even further? Does she have another horse to rate on till her green horse is at the level she is at?

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post #3 of 11 Old 10-24-2011, 10:36 PM Thread Starter
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It's so hard buying them green and "hoping" for the best. LOL. The price is right on both of them. She has a horse she can use while bringing one of these boys up. It's just, she is quickly outgrowing her girl and we are having to do quite a bit of "maintenance" for her. I agree with you and Jethro's balance and movement. He is actually the one I was more impressed with from the video, even if he is not a "warmblood". However, the trainer thinks that Heston is going to mature into a little more talented of a horse. We will be putting the one she picks with her trainer for 3 additional months, and thinks that Briana would be fine with either one of the horses. Oh decisions. I am going to video Bri riding them tomorrow, and hopefully one will "stand out" more than the other one. I wish Jethro didn't paddle!
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post #4 of 11 Old 10-25-2011, 12:29 AM
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I think Heston's attitude on life is a bit what is making him look "unathletic".. his age also doesn't help his case as most warmblood horses stay gangly and underdeveloped until about 6.. but the word "warmblood" in itself lends itself to a lot of interpretation. I see that word used without listing of breeding and I think to myself "oh nice - a grade draft horse mixed with a TB", think little of it and move on.

However. He does impress me more than the appendix. I think what you are focussing far to much on is the trot. We can make a trot from anything. The trot is not the issue gait. What we look for is a pure, 4 beat walk with reach over the back and a nice uphill, elastic canter and finally a good 2 beat trot. Heston's canter is far and above the Appendix's, who honestly looks like many 2'6 hunters kicking around here. Heston is actually going a) forward and b) uphill and unlike the appendix, didn't refuse a single fence.
The Appendix is fussy, you know he has conformational issues and is downhill in all 3 gaits (which your daughter will be working against forever). Heston, while gangly, goofy and not too serious about work yet, shows greater potential just purely by how he is balanced over all 4 legs in motion. He's 4, ride him for a few years and if you figure out he's not right then sell him. Heston at 6 will be worth 2-3 times Jethro at 7...

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post #5 of 11 Old 10-25-2011, 12:49 AM Thread Starter
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Hi! I think that is what the trainer is thinking. Briana actually really enjoyed riding Heston... well liked them both actually. I was just worried that he seems weak and somewhat long in his gaskin area. I will see him tomorrow and will try to video Briana riding him. He is a Trakhener/Thoroughbred cross. His dam is a pure Trakhener and the sire is a 17 hand thoroughbred called Pivot. Thank you so much for your input. Although hanging in Pony Club for five years, I am more of a reining/western pony person. :) I have an idea what i like, but tend to judge from a more "Quarter Horse" perspective. I figure he will mature alot, it is just a matter of how.
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Hi! I think that is what the trainer is thinking. Briana actually really enjoyed riding Heston... well liked them both actually. I was just worried that he seems weak and somewhat long in his gaskin area. I will see him tomorrow and will try to video Briana riding him. He is a Trakhener/Thoroughbred cross. His dam is a pure Trakhener and the sire is a 17 hand thoroughbred called Pivot. Thank you so much for your input. Although hanging in Pony Club for five years, I am more of a reining/western pony person. :) I have an idea what i like, but tend to judge from a more "Quarter Horse" perspective. I figure he will mature alot, it is just a matter of how.
I think the QH appeals to me for similar reasons. I grew up showing QH and hunters, and his movement seems ideal in that respect. I look at the warmblood and just don't see a picture yet. I would take anebel's opinion any day. You may also want to PM members like allisonfinch, MIEventer, and Maura.

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post #7 of 11 Old 10-28-2011, 12:04 AM Thread Starter
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ok, so we went to try the horses again and Bri was sick with the flu. I tried to cancel, but there was no way the girl would do that. Over a hundred degree temp and "I must ride them today!" LOL, the wind was ripping and it was COLD! Anyway, she is a little stiff to say the least. She really fell for Heston, she liked his canter better. Said Jethro's canter reminds her more and more of her old Appendix who physically could not canter uphill. She didn't worry about his head set or anything, just pushed him forward and fell in love. Here is one of the videos of her playing on him.


and here is Jethro:

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The ground they are on does slope, so sometimes their stride looks a little funny... they go uphill one direction and then downhill the other. :) Thanks everyone.
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post #8 of 11 Old 10-28-2011, 01:54 AM
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I agree completely with anebel! Heston is IMO the best match for your daughter. I, myself, am a C2 hoping for H/B and C3 in 2012. :)

Just remember, you can't use Heston until he's 5 years old in PC. I had to wait with my horse two years ago. I got him when he was 4 also, and had to wait a year to rejoin my club.
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post #9 of 11 Old 10-31-2011, 01:34 AM Thread Starter
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Thank you all so much for the feedback. We picked up Heston today. The good news is, we only have a couple of months with him as a "four year old". :) The bad news is, He is going to have a ways to go before he is ready for a C3 rating. here is hoping we can maintain her mare long enough until he is ready to go. THANKS AGAIN!

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OH and MoodIndigo, GOOD LUCK on your ratings! So much work but so rewarding. Maybe you two can meet at National one year. :)
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