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post #11 of 22 Old 03-21-2011, 10:27 AM
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Holy dodgy rear end!

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post #12 of 22 Old 03-21-2011, 11:52 AM Thread Starter
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In combination with an overall down hill build and a neck that ties in low this is a horse that will really struggle at any level of dressage.
This is what I was worried about, and was asking about here. I would think he would be much happier peanut rolling and collection work would be hard.

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post #13 of 22 Old 03-21-2011, 10:52 PM
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This is what I was worried about, and was asking about here. I would think he would be much happier peanut rolling and collection work would be hard.
And you were absolutely correct

I just wanted add a couple of thoughts for your own future reference as you continue on your search: Horses that are slightly downhill and/or have a low set neck can be capable of lower levels in dressage with the right training and conditioning. But you really must take into account the whole horse to see if faults such as these can somehow be balanced or compensated for.

True collection isn't seen in the lower levels so the most critical points to consider are correctness of gaits (impulsion, rhythym, freedom, straightness etc), accuracy of test (related to submission, acceptance of aides etc), willing and balanced transistions of course your own riding (position, balance etc). Many of these criteria are really contingent upon having not just a horse that is balanced overall, but particularly with hindquarters and hind leg structure that will bear up under this type of work.

The deal breaker for this guy IMO is not the fact that his neck ties in low or his downhill build. While certainly not optimal, it is the fact that there is no chance in the world that you could improve upon those things given the weakness of his hind end. In dressage there is great emphasis on strengthening and using the hind end so that it can be active and really drive each gait and the transitions between gaits.

I just thought I would add this in so that you can have more of a goal in mind when you look at horses and an idea of what can possibly be worked with, and what cannot.

I think HowClever said it best in relation to this guy:

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Holy dodgy rear end!
That said, best of luck with your search!

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post #14 of 22 Old 03-21-2011, 11:04 PM
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I don't know anything about what kind of horses to look for for English disciplines, but I personally think he's a rather wonky looking QH and the most I can see him doing is being a trail/pleasure horse, though he doesn't look all that friendly in the pictures. IMO, he's got a weird back end. I love QH butts because they're big and adorable. His..isn't. I dunno. He is only four, but I think I would expect his butt to be a bit bigger and rounder.
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post #15 of 22 Old 03-21-2011, 11:42 PM
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Well, I like him but I don't do dressage. He looks like a good western pleasure horse to me. In my experience no one can tell what his stride or gait is until you ride him. According to the conformation clinics I have been to and the pictures, he actually doesn't look bad.

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post #16 of 22 Old 03-21-2011, 11:45 PM
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Actually conformation is an excellent predictor of stride and gait. A horse can only move within the scope that his limbs will allow

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post #17 of 22 Old 03-21-2011, 11:55 PM
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How right you are; However, Just me, but I like to ride one to make sure. If his conformation is good, then so is his gait (normally).

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post #18 of 22 Old 03-22-2011, 12:08 AM
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Holy dodgy rear end!
Noooo kidding.
Just thinking about him jumping makes me want to cringe.


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post #19 of 22 Old 03-22-2011, 06:18 PM
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well sorry this one didn't work out for you. If you want I could help you look. Just tell me your requirements and it would give me something to do! :)
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post #20 of 22 Old 03-22-2011, 06:31 PM Thread Starter
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I don't know anything about what kind of horses to look for for English disciplines, but I personally think he's a rather wonky looking QH and the most I can see him doing is being a trail/pleasure horse, though he doesn't look all that friendly in the pictures. IMO, he's got a weird back end. I love QH butts because they're big and adorable. His..isn't. I dunno. He is only four, but I think I would expect his butt to be a bit bigger and rounder.

He looks very rectangular shaped to me, and no he doesn't look very happy in those pictures, but he was also described as being low horse on the totem pole, and often getting chased off the piles of hay. He could have been reacting to the horse next to him.

Untacked - thanks! I am going to go look at another horse tomorrow, if he doesnt work out I will likely go back to my lease.

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