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    10-31-2011, 11:07 AM
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Green Broke
Possible Purchase for Dressage, what do you guys think?

I think this might be a good deal, but not sure. This is a TB mare, jocky club registered and she has a tatoo but has never been raced. She's 7yo, 16.2h. The person riding her bought her as a barrel project but has come to realize the horse has had some dressage training and so is selling her instead of retraining for 800. I'm considering her because I am really falling in love with dressage and I don't think my current horse can go up the levels do to sacroiliac issues as well as not quite the right conformation for dressage.

Mind you, the person riding her does NOT know dressage, or how to ask for anything because she's a barrel racer. These are the videos that she has posted on craigs list.




     
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    10-31-2011, 11:22 AM
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Green Broke
Cinn I am going to be totally honest here but I would pass this one over. Messy messy messy, tight through her back, inattention and no focus, completely inbalanced. Shooting off the leg, avoiding contact, and generally not taking aides very well at all. She will take a *lot* of training to get near a dressage ring, even at a low level.

Of course with training I am sure she could do something but if you are looking to progress I don't see anything truly exceptional about her that would make me say she is worth the effort of all the hours it will take to get her going in the right direction.

In short, she seems like a nice enough horse but whatever training she has had (in my humble opinion) has actually been detrimental to her as a dressage prospect.

What happened with Cinny? He is one of my faves
     
    10-31-2011, 11:50 AM
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Green Broke
I still have Cinny but I think he's going to bottom out at level 1 to be honest. I started a thread in the dressage forum about our current issue. His sacroiliac just can't seem to handle a lot of the propulsion from the hind and he doesn't seem to be comfortable doing anything tighter than a 15m at the canter. I love him dearly, but he was bought with an "all around" horse in mind and I now want to be more serious with dressage than I thought I would when I initially bought Cin, dressage was just going to be for foundation training and move on. I just know we can't afford the kind of horse I want, so I figure I'd have to get something that would take a few years of work but would be more suited than Cin to dressage. I'm worried that I am pushing Cin to fit a mold that he was never meant to fit into.
     
    10-31-2011, 12:01 PM
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If I may shed my two cents: the presenting rider's seat did not really help the horse to get on the aids and into the bit. The mare is def. In need of training and of calming down a bit and certainly not one to take to a show tomorrow, but to truly gauge her willingness to get into the bit and onto the aids, I think she will have to be seen ridden under a more experienced (dressage) rider.
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    10-31-2011, 01:35 PM
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Green Broke
I'm thinking I might drive out there and take her for a test ride, it's an hour away though. If I do I will try to get video.

I asked about a lease with option to buy, but the terms seem a little steeper than I like although they probably aren't bad terms. They are selling for 800 and the lease with option to buy would be to lease until March (first schooling show) at 150 per month which would be 600 by march right there which I wouldn't get back if I don't buy her but go towards sale cost if I do. Then I have to pay for her winter shots, all farrier, vet, board, feed, tack etc. No tack will come with her. Every horse I leased in the past the owners paid for shots, teeth etc so...not sure on this one.

She says he only concern is that the horse be used instead of sitting, but yet...I don't know. I know this horse would need a LOT of work before going into the show ring. I may be able to do intro at most the first year.

In the vids she seems to me like she's trying, she just doesn't quite understand because her rider is speaking a different language than she is used to.
     
    10-31-2011, 06:33 PM
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Green Broke
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Originally Posted by LittleZeasel    
If I may shed my two cents: the presenting rider's seat did not really help the horse to get on the aids and into the bit. The mare is def. In need of training and of calming down a bit and certainly not one to take to a show tomorrow, but to truly gauge her willingness to get into the bit and onto the aids, I think she will have to be seen ridden under a more experienced (dressage) rider.
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I agree, I know I do not have the best dressage seat in the world, but I think I may have improved enough to sit back and a bit more balanced. The rider here is sitting like she is ready to run barrels, which is pretty much what she knows how to do. I'm sure if I sat on a barrel horse and tried to ride it like a dressage horse, it would probably look pretty sloppy too.

Like I said, she may be worth a test run. However I have just been told that she cribs but ONLY right after eating grain. So I'm thinking, possible ulcers??? Is there anything else that might cause that?
     
    10-31-2011, 07:00 PM
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To be honest, the rider is not doing him any favors and he is going to need a LOT of work, which may or may not pay off. She seems more concerned with his ability to speedwalk sideways while counterbending than working correctly.
     
    10-31-2011, 07:33 PM
  #8
Green Broke
I say, go for a test ride. See how she really moves and feels. Could be just rider error.
     
    10-31-2011, 07:48 PM
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I am not overly enthusiastic with her movement, personally. She would be OK at training and first, but I don't see her going too much further. She has tight choppy movement. She has been trained poorly and most of what she knows will have to be unlearned before proper training can be started.

BUT, go ride her and see what you can do with her. Every horse you get on will teach you something, even if you have no intention of buying her. Horses can make dramatic changes when someone they "mesh" with gets on them. You never really know until you try them.
     
    10-31-2011, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by LittleZeasel    
If I may shed my two cents: the presenting rider's seat did not really help the horse to get on the aids and into the bit. The mare is def. In need of training and of calming down a bit and certainly not one to take to a show tomorrow, but to truly gauge her willingness to get into the bit and onto the aids, I think she will have to be seen ridden under a more experienced (dressage) rider.
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I agree..her riding was really distracting me from watching the horse.

I say it wouldn't hurt to go look at her, if she isn't too far away.
     

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