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    10-30-2011, 12:47 PM
  #11
Weanling
Well, this horse is supposed to have super temperament, very willing. Advertised with a 4/10. But haven't personally met him, of course.

She is firm at 5k. Too much? Has been difficult to even find a 'so-so' sort of horse in my area... everyone seems to be jumpers and what few dressage horses are available tend to be at 10k+. I don't mind working with the horse, of course, that's what I most enjoy, seeing a positive change in the horse.
     
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    10-30-2011, 01:56 PM
  #12
Foal
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Originally Posted by teamfire    
Well, this horse is supposed to have super temperament, very willing. Advertised with a 4/10. But haven't personally met him, of course.

She is firm at 5k. Too much? Has been difficult to even find a 'so-so' sort of horse in my area... everyone seems to be jumpers and what few dressage horses are available tend to be at 10k+. I don't mind working with the horse, of course, that's what I most enjoy, seeing a positive change in the horse.
I had the same problems when trying to find a decent horse this past year. Don't give up hope though, and don't settle. In the long run, you need a horse you're going to be happy with for several years.

This is just my opinion... After having your trainer see him, doing a test ride, etc, and IF you still like him, offer them $4,000. Train him through second then sell him to an Adult amateur for a few grand more than you paid for him.

Just curious, but have you looked at other breeds, or warmblood crosses? There are several in my area that are less than $10k but still very athletic and better trained (and it isn't exactly a dressage mecca here).
     
    10-30-2011, 02:30 PM
  #13
Banned
I think he's lovely! For an English riding horse he's about average speed!
     
    10-30-2011, 07:17 PM
  #14
Foal
I can't help but say this, everyone notes the horse rushing (and I have a steam rollar at home lol) but to me it looks like the rider is rushing the horse leg leg leg and rising faster and faster when he's already not working properly and rushing he doesnt look to me like he's rushing more being rushed IMO ??????? Any thoughts??? Seriously puzzled???
     
    10-30-2011, 07:20 PM
  #15
Foal
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Originally Posted by horsemadgirl    
I think he's lovely! For an English riding horse he's about average speed!
Sorry but completely disagree with this comment about the speed but totally agree the horse is lovely x
     
    10-30-2011, 08:18 PM
  #16
Trained
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Originally Posted by horsemadgirl    
I think he's lovely! For an English riding horse he's about average speed!
You're a western rider no?

The horse is being run onto his front legs, encouraged to hang onto the bit and as a result he HAS to have a very fast tempo to stay upright! This horse is travelling at a much faster tempo than a horse that is in balance, off the forehand and with the rider should be travelling.
Horsemadgirl, I suggest you watch a few professional dressage riders working their horses to compare the different between their tempo, and this horse's tempo.

Brackenbramley, yes I agree with you that the rider IS rushing the horse, but it seems to have turned into a viscious circle. The rider initially would have knocked the horse off balance and as a result he has to up his tempo to keep himself upright. The rider is in a very defensive position, and is gripping with her knees and hands, thus has no influence over the horse with her seat and as a result the horse will no come back to a more suitable tempo while this continues. Once a horse has been ridden like this for a long period of time, particualrly at a young age, it is very difficult to retrain. At 7, the horse should be moving freely forward, into a soft contact, poll at the highest point, and commencing collected work.
This horse is a long way behind the 8-ball.

I was riding a warmblood x tb mare that had been ridden in this manner as a young horse, at 12 she was STILL reverting to running onto the forehand and pulling through the bridle when she got tense. Though a very lovely mare, she was very difficult as if you let her go for even 2 strides, she would be on the forehand and pulling you along like she was pulling a cart.

For a first horse, why start with something like that when you can pick something that has decent foundations or at least doesn't run itself into the ground.

As for price - that's why I bought a yearling rather than something established. You can get a horse of the quality you want, for a fraction of the price, but just have to be patient to be able to ride it. Not recomending a youngster for the OP though, but I do feel that if the OP really DOES have enough riding experience, maybe a 4 year old would be more suitable? Nothing too flashy, you don't need spectacular paces to ride high levels, in fact, 3 'good' paces to me is more desirable than spectacular as you have to be able to ride them!
     
    10-30-2011, 09:59 PM
  #17
Weanling
So, I went to see him. Cause, he was only an hour away, and it'd at least be a new riding experience.

Turns out he has the most absolutely wonderful temperament. Very, very kind, totally wants to do what you ask of him. Quiet. You couldn't even tell he was a greenie on the ground, such lovely ground manners.

Oh, don't know if I mentioned, when I say green, I do mean pretty green, as in started half a year ago.

Turns out that why he looks rushed in the video is that the trainer's philosophy is that you get them extremely forward right off the start. She said she's not worried about collecting or anything at this point, just wants forward. Anyways, that's her view of things.

I tried him out and he is NOT at all what he looks like in the video. In fact, sometimes I had trouble keeping him going! Still feels on the forehand, but I'm always unsure when trying out a new horse and when being watched by someone unfamiliar, so didn't really work him like I would've with my coach or on my own. He didn't rush with me (like I said, sometimes not forward enough if anything) and didn't feel heavy in my hands at all.

I'll be getting a video up and see what you guys think. I did notice that he might paddle a bit with one of his front legs.

The other thing is that the owner has some... interesting ideas. The trainer was pretty upset when she told me that the owner doesn't believe in floating their teeth and she says he needs that done IMMEDIATELY. She also said that, although he's barefoot, he also needs a trim badly. Apparently the owner doesn't want to put a single cent more than she needs to... anyways.

I'll upload a video soon!

In the meantime, here's a bad conformation picture. >.>

     
    10-31-2011, 01:41 AM
  #18
Weanling
Here's a vid! Your thoughts???

Please be easy on my riding if you want to critique me: it was the first time riding this horse, I wasn't really thinking hard on myself!
     
    10-31-2011, 07:00 AM
  #19
Foal
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Originally Posted by teamfire    
Here's a vid! Your thoughts???

Please be easy on my riding if you want to critique me: it was the first time riding this horse, I wasn't really thinking hard on myself!
I think you look great on him, his gaits looked better, and you seem to really like his temperament. If your trainer likes him, go for it. From what you're saying and I read Larceny's add, I'd bet they'd take closer to $4k for him. An owner who won't pay $30 for a trim is someone who can't afford board and training and would be willing to sell him for less.

What did your trainer say about him (other than his teeth issue)?

Good riding. I was expecting a lot worse (new horse, new environment, etc). You ride a lot better than the lady in the first video.
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    10-31-2011, 08:46 AM
  #20
Banned
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Originally Posted by teamfire    
Here's a vid! Larceny - YouTube Your thoughts???

Please be easy on my riding if you want to critique me: it was the first time riding this horse, I wasn't really thinking hard on myself!
The two of you look far better on this horse than the original rider paired up with him.

I would go for it but try to knock her down in price.
     

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