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post #11 of 23 Old 02-22-2009, 10:41 AM
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I totally understand how words on a computer screen can be confusing - that is why we need an educated coach who can competently work with us one on one, filling in the holes that have occured in our training.

Is there anyway your coach can put you on a more rounded, advanced, experienced horse? That way, you can focus on yourself and where you are and what you are doing. That way, the horse can teach you, so that you can grow and learn and mature.

Is this pony your pony? Or does she belong to the barn? Are you leasing her or are you assigned to her for lessons?

It is difficult for a green rider, to learn and grow and focus on themselves to improve, while being on a green horse. The green horse is still learning themselves, relying on their rider to teach and guide them.
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post #12 of 23 Old 02-22-2009, 10:47 AM Thread Starter
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im leasing her starting next week so i can work with her more. and i pretty much see what im doing wrong. next time i tape myself i think it will be better. i need to release a LOT more and push my butt back. thats all that i can see. I really wouldn't want to switch horses either because I like her a lot
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You need to work on stabalizing your lower leg. Without your lower leg being strong and supportive - nothing else will come.

When you aren't allowing your heels to do their job, due to your gripping your knees...because you have no lower leg stabillity.....nothing else will come.

The chain of negative reaction in your form over the fence, occurs when you loose 1 part of your body.

You are ahead of your horses motion.
You are jumping the fence before you even get to the fence.
You have no lower leg stabillity.
You are throwing all of your bodies weight onto your horses forehand

No lower leg stabillity. Results you pinching your knees. You pinching your knees, heels cannot do their job. Your heels cannot do their job - you pinch your knees.

See the cycle? All this causes you to lurch ahead instead of sitting and waiting.

You need to do allot of 2 point work. You need to really strengthen your lower leg and work on opening your knees.

I would put you on the lunge line, with no reins. I would make you really work on seat into legs.

I would make you do allot of grid work, on a horse that is more experienced to aid you instead of holding you back.

I would work on having you learn to ride your horses rhythm, focus on the horse under you instead of what is coming ahead.

I would work on having you ride your horse, not the fence.

Stop looking at the fence. You know it is there, your horse knows it is there. Ride your horses rhythm. Allow the fence to come to you, not you to it.

I would also have you working on allot of flat work, and lunge line work. You need to stabalize yourself first.


This is where you should be:

Leg at girth. Seat low to tack. Horse closes angle. Heels deep, allowing your body weight to sinken into them, to anchor you in your tack.

Allowing horse to do their job, while you stay out of their way.

*my releases are atrocious. My coach tells me I have the typical eventers release....non existant* Big issue of mine.

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post #14 of 23 Old 02-22-2009, 11:54 AM
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Also to help strengthen your legs, it might help to work out during the week on the days you don't ride. I have one lesson a week and two days a week I work out (one day I do my arms, the other day I do my legs, both days I run 2 miles). I have to say, it REALLY helps.

Every ride, good or bad, teaches you something new.
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post #15 of 23 Old 02-22-2009, 12:10 PM
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Also, like MIEventer was saying, here's an example of what NOT to do:

See how I'm just standing up in the stirrups? I'm pinching with my knee, which is sending my lower leg back, and I'm standing straight up in the air. My whole center of balance is ahead of him, so he's going to have a hard time clearing the jump.

Every ride, good or bad, teaches you something new.
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post #16 of 23 Old 02-22-2009, 12:25 PM
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Good for you Equestrian - I am so thrilled that you can see your faults.

I do the same, but when I look at the jump - or aniticipate the jump. When I ride the fence, and not my horse - I lurch forward.
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post #17 of 23 Old 02-22-2009, 01:30 PM
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I totally agree with MIEventer on this. I'm also curious to why a horse so young is jumping so large already?! How long have you been riding? I believe that in order to start jumping you must start at the beginning with the basics.

There is an exciting rush to jumping and that is why we do it, however that doesn't mean AT ALL that you shouldn't do x-rails. I show 2 feet 6 inches - the 3 feet but some of my lessons we focus simply on x-rails, and those are the ones that help me the most!

As for helping to get your position further, I suggest lots of no stirrups, jumping position and general working out. By strengthening your muscles you wont be as loose in the saddle and your riding will progress by leaps and bounds! PM me if you want more help!
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post #18 of 23 Old 02-22-2009, 02:19 PM
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I dont see why everyone is being so hard on her and saying she shouldnt ride lacy! lacy is normally a bad horse to ride but with lacylove she behaves obviously they match and i disagree that shes a green rider
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post #19 of 23 Old 02-22-2009, 04:24 PM
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I'm going to go off of what MIeventer suggested, to have a lesson on a longe line.
Try closing your eyes so you can really feel the horse's movement. Shutting off the visual aspect of riding really makes you feel a lot more. (Its kind of like feeling your way around a really dark room. You don't rely on your sight, but on your touch and sound)

If you feel comfortable on her, you can try closing your eyes while riding her. Though don't do it for too long.

I feel that you should go back down to basics with her. I saw in your previous jumping video that she would run out, and in this one she only ran out once, but she still did it. I feel there are some holes in her training and that's why she's doing it. Maybe she was rushed into jumping or maybe she is going too high too fast.

She's running out for a reason, either because she knows she can get away with it and you won't get after her (I personally think its this), or because she is nervous or anticipating the jump.

When you drop back down the basics and go over trot poles, then raised trot poles than a small cross rail, you can work on everything, not only with you, but with Lacy too.

Personally I feel that a 4 year old should not be jumping that high and definitely not oxers. The jumping basics (ground and trot poles) should be introduced and then at 5 start with some actual jumps. Just my personal preference.
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post #20 of 23 Old 02-22-2009, 04:36 PM
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You look much better than your last video

The only thing I will say is that on the first 2 clips you were on the wrong canter lead. And just sit and wait for the fence to come to you, just ride to a steady tune in your head cantering in a rhythm

A good horse can never be a bad colour...
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