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post #1 of 21 Old 05-28-2012, 10:50 PM Thread Starter
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I got me dad to take a video of my riding from today. I kinda sucked today when it came to jumping but I felt like I was doing pretty good trotting. However, I really need some outside opinions, so if you guys could critique us please that would be awesome! Some background, he is a 6 year old ottb who hates contact and frequently bucks, hollows his back, or throws his head way down to get away from the bit. He is really hard to get into a frame he just fights it. I think we were jumping like 1'3" or 1'6" here, so he was just kinda stepping over it. We haven't been jumping very long. So anywho, please be nice but tell me what I need to work on. Oh and btw I am getting more holes punched in my stirrups cause they are on the shortest one here and I feel like they are too long. Thanks everybody!! :)

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post #2 of 21 Old 05-28-2012, 10:59 PM
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No leaning at the fence. Make a conscious effort to keep your hands quiet.

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Just curious, is this a lesson horse or your own horse?

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No leaning at the fence. Make a conscious effort to keep your hands quiet.
Thanks Oxer! Yeah I think I was throwing him off balance by leaning on his neck so much. And yeah my hands suck, I have been working on them :/ Question, when do I need to go into to point, when he jumps or before? Thanks again!

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Just curious, is this a lesson horse or your own horse?
He is mine :) I have had him for almost a year and a half. I don't take lessons though I wish I could :/

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the way I have learned not to jump ahead is simply by looking up and ahead. When I pick my head up and look beyond the jump, then it makes it impossible for me to anticipate the jump. This in turn allows me to simply follow my horse with my body. A 2 point, especially at this height, should just flow. No ducking, no flopping, no hurling yourself at your horse. Just go with him. Hahaha!

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I don't jump, but I can see that you are not very stable, thus your hand problems. I wonder if you should leave jumping for a bit and just work on riding.

Your horse looks really unhappy about the whole affair, and the way he wants to buck upon landing, and runs in a hollow, choppy way of moving suggests that maybe, just maybe, there is some discomfort issue. Could be the saddle is not fitting well. Could be his SacroIlliac joint is "out" . Could be nothing. But, whenever a horse buckes at the canter, the first thing to think about is pain.

And, his aversion to contact should also make you consider having his mouth looked at by a dental vet.

Please forgive me if I am telling you things you have already dealt with. But this is what comes to mind. The way the horse moves is very "defensive and protective". This way of moving is hard for a rider to ride; the back is hollow, the step choppy and the horse is rushing out from under the rider.

What do you think about these ideas?
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the way I have learned not to jump ahead is simply by looking up and ahead. When I pick my head up and look beyond the jump, then it makes it impossible for me to anticipate the jump. This in turn allows me to simply follow my horse with my body. A 2 point, especially at this height, should just flow. No ducking, no flopping, no hurling yourself at your horse. Just go with him. Hahaha!
I will try looking ahead more :) Thanks so much :)


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I don't jump, but I can see that you are not very stable, thus your hand problems. I wonder if you should leave jumping for a bit and just work on riding.

Your horse looks really unhappy about the whole affair, and the way he wants to buck upon landing, and runs in a hollow, choppy way of moving suggests that maybe, just maybe, there is some discomfort issue. Could be the saddle is not fitting well. Could be his SacroIlliac joint is "out" . Could be nothing. But, whenever a horse buckes at the canter, the first thing to think about is pain.
I don't think he is in any pain, he runs around his pasture all the time. I honestly think his bucking is just disobedience. In that vid I was trying to keep him at a trot but he kept wanting to run off.

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And, his aversion to contact should also make you consider having his mouth looked at by a dental vet.
Yeah he needs his teeth floated, I told my dad that a few times but he doesn't seem too enthused about the idea. :/

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Just some advice on his bucking and being a brat: if he indeed is not in pain and is just being disrespectful, I highly suggest the one-rein stop. It would benefit you to make sure your seat is very secure - I actually think your stirrups are too short; you are leaning forward a lot and seem to not be able to wrap your legs around him. Once this is remedied, when he starts to put his head down to buck, or tries to take off on you, slide one hand down your rein (either side, but inside rein is easier) and crank his nose into your boot, pushing him with your outside leg to go into a tight circle until he decides it is no fun. A few times doing this and he might find you mean business.

Just my two cents. Be careful doing this, especially at a trot or canter, as he could lose his balance too much and fall. Also be careful not to slam into his mouth when asking for the circle, just glide into it. Be calm and collected; he will understand that your intent is to show him it is not okay to be so naughty.

Again, be certain he is sound and not acting out in pain.

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Okay... I'm not going to comment on the jumping bit since I don't jump :)

What I see is a lot of leaning.. your arms are kind of just.. flopping around or floating and not FOLLOWING his movement. I see him bracing all over and generally being very sour.

I think you need to work on your warm up. Do you have a trainer?

Warm up at the walk, getting him to loosen up. Gentle flexing, bending, circles, and figures (like serpentines, weaving, figure eights, spirals) when he's nice and loose, send him forward and do some leg yields on and off the track. Change direction often. Slowwwwwwwww downnnnnnnnnnn. You're kind of rushing through everything, when he's not really "with you" if you understand what I mean.

It's like you're chasing him when you trot, you were posting very sharply.

So relax.. soften your body, and don't trot until he's together and relaxed and loose at the walk.

As for contact, it's not consistent. It's loose-tight, loose-tight. Release.. JAB.. release.. JAB which isn't very nice on their mouths and also causes them to really dislike contact.

Change your arms. Your elbows can open and close. When you rise, they open up and your hands stay just where you left them.. when you sit, they close, leaving your hands just where you left them.

I can see a lot of things that, if they were smoother.. you'd be a very nice team.

If you don't have a trainer, I highly encourage you to find one. You'll improve in leaps and bounds once you target the things that need fixing.

But I really would work more on your walk before you trot.

And just so you know, I am not saying this is all you. Or your fault.. the horse needs a lot of work too but doing what I have advised would benefit you both as your riding directly affects him, and he directly affects your riding.

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