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  • How to get myself to release more when i jump horses
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    01-10-2012, 02:12 AM
  #1
Foal
Something is missing :/ (jumping)

I can tell something is lacking from my jump position. I feel like my leg has gotten better but not my overall position? How can I improve this?

Unfortunately I only get to jump once a week and I hack the rest. Two point and riding with out stirrups are both implemented daily.


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    01-10-2012, 02:31 AM
  #2
Started
You need to release.
     
    01-10-2012, 08:55 AM
  #3
Trained
In the first photos you are jumping ahead. Out of those three, the first photo is my favorite, your leg and over all position look pretty solid. The big thing I notice is that you are trying to release by throwing your body forward, and leaving your hands planted in one spot. Your leg has slipped back slightly, but that will be fixed by not throwing your body forward.

In the most recent photo, you look like you are trying to release, but you are behind your horses motion so you are already sitting back down in the tack and pulling back on the reins. All you would need to change is to fold at your hips and you would have a very solid jumping position. If I were you I would not be using spurs over fences. Your position has improved, but I get the impression that its not very consistant.

Your horse is really cute, he looks like a guy I just sold. And I love the heart on his bum =]
     
    01-10-2012, 10:06 AM
  #4
Foal
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Originally Posted by gypsygirl    
in the first photos you are jumping ahead. Out of those three, the first photo is my favorite, your leg and over all position look pretty solid. The big thing I notice is that you are trying to release by throwing your body forward, and leaving your hands planted in one spot. Your leg has slipped back slightly, but that will be fixed by not throwing your body forward.



In the most recent photo, you look like you are trying to release, but you are behind your horses motion so you are already sitting back down in the tack and pulling back on the reins. All you would need to change is to fold at your hips and you would have a very solid jumping position. If I were you I would not be using spurs over fences. Your position has improved, but I get the impression that its not very consistant.

Your horse is really cute, he looks like a guy I just sold. And I love the heart on his bum =]
Thanks so much for your input. Out of curiosity why do you think I should ditch the spurs? I'll try it as she is hott and has been running out after jumps. I use them on the flat to help get her round.

It sounds like in the first few pictures I threw myself forward and now I resiste and don't relase. So now do I need to is fold more over the horse and put my hands more forward on her neck?

As for the horse is a 4 year old otto. Pretty green but a sweetheart. The first photos of her were about the 5 or 6th time she had been jumped.
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    01-10-2012, 10:37 AM
  #5
Green Broke
In addition to what has been mentioned (particularly the release - ouch!), try not to grip with your knees. Your position can only be solid in the tack over a fence if you are anchored firmly in your stirrups without trying to pinching at the knee as you lose your lower leg in this manner, second picture it is most evident.

Keep your stirrup on the girth, the moment your leg swings back, pivotal point being the knee, your position is lost and essentially unrecoverable for that jump, giving your horse a rather uncomfortable landing!

Each photo shows a different position, as Gypsy mentioned, it appears as though there is some inconsistency in your position - you're ahead of the jump, behind the jump, everywhere! I think lots of two point work over grids and poles to develop good muscle memory to develop a good solid two point.

Good work on looking up and ahead and well done on fixing the chicken arms I see in the first pic!! Lovely horse with a nice attitude, good luck.
     
    01-10-2012, 01:55 PM
  #6
Foal
The two biggest faults are your release and your knees.
Itís important to release with your hands when you jump because horses have to stretch their necks to jump. If your hands are stationary then when she goes to stretch out, the bit is pulling in her mouth. OUCH! You can Google or YouTube what a crest release looks like, and when you have a consistent independent seat, can work on the auto release.

Pinching our knees is a very, very common fault. Our goal is to stay on the horse when it jumps, and itís instinctive to grasp with everything we have to cling to the hurtling animal. The knee is our main leg joint, so thatís what we use to hold on. Remember to ride around your horse, not just perched on top. Until it becomes habit, you will have to consciously remind yourself to sink all your weight through your legs and down into your stirrups. Make sure your legs are resting softly against the sides of the saddle- not too tight, but there should be no air between your legs and the saddle. When you learn to stop grasping at the saddle, your legs will not swing back nearly as much.

As others have mentioned, you are either in front of or behind your horseís motion. We, as riders, really donít give our horses enough credit or trust them enough when jumping. I always remind myself that the horse wants to get over it safely as much as we do, and the horse will do everything in its power to do that. Your horse will judge the distance and when it needs to take off and how much power is needed to get over it. The less we do to screw with the horseís process, the better. Jumping ahead causes the horse to have to work harder to clear the jump, since all your weight is on its front end. Being left behind can cause a hard landing because the horse to compensate for all the weight that is suddenly on its back end. Let the horse tell your body when itís time to get out of the saddle and when itís time to settle back in, and let the horse be the one to close your hip joints. This takes so much practice, itís not even funny. The no stirrup and two-point work will definitely help, but really actually jumping is the only way to get this down pat. You said you only get to jump once a weekÖwould you be able to ask if you can ride other horses in addition to jumping once a week? Or when hacking out, are there small logs or objects you can practice jumping with?

You look like you have a solid foundation, now itís just time to apply that to jumping!
     
    01-14-2012, 08:43 PM
  #7
Foal
In addition to the release and knee grip, pull your shoulders back. It also appears that you may be holding your breath....just breath :)
     
    01-15-2012, 06:20 PM
  #8
Banned
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Originally Posted by Lost without horses    
It also appears that you may be holding your breath....just breath :)
Man...if I had a nickel every time I heard my trainer say the exact same thing :).

One thing to remember about two point is that it isn't just dropping forward. You need to close the hip angle, keeping your center of balance over the center of the saddle and the horse's back. In the fourth pic, where you seemed to have gooten left behind, if you take your leg and knee position there, and were to mentally just envision dropping your chest keeping your shoulder open, you would have the general good position. Take your leg and knee position from the fourth pic and put those on top of your upper body position in the first pic...with a little refining that would be the position you want.

You want to, how do I put this gently :), push your backside out behind you and, as I saw in another post somewhere, push the horse away with your hands.
     
    01-16-2012, 02:57 AM
  #9
Started
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Originally Posted by Lost without horses    
In addition to the release and knee grip, pull your shoulders back. It also appears that you may be holding your breath....just breath :)
I agree with the shoulders part. You're pulling your shoulders up to your head. Keep them down my guess is it'll feel a lot more comfortable. Could it be that you're tensing? I totally get that when I frost started jumping and once in a while now I get nervous, but I don't know if I tense up.
     
    01-24-2012, 07:17 PM
  #10
Yearling
Work on releasing and being a bit softer in your hands, as well as keeping your shoulders back. When your shoulders go back, you should really see improvement, because your body will close a bit more. Your leg has improved immensely – you were pinching with your knee.

And actually, it's good that you're only jumping once a week. You shouldn't jump a horse more than twice a week. :)
     

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