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    10-09-2008, 10:48 PM
Standardbred critique

I've recently been retraining a standardbred horse. I have a video of him cantering about 2 weeks ago. Its a new thing for him ya know, he didnt know how to canter before, his muscles weren't adapted to it and he is learning. But please critique his muscle and what not

This was his FIRST EVER FULL CIRCLE at the canter. He usually broke at the corner but we finally overcame it for the first time

I realize my leg is very far foward, I was focussing more on getting him to maintain the canter than myposition. My stirrups were also toooo short, and I now ride with them a bit longer.

YouTube - Cantering Standardbred (Yankee Dusty training Jumper)

On the side you'll see some more videos from me. Please feel free to look at them. I'll post a few pics of him on here too, just so you can see his body form and what not
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    10-09-2008, 10:53 PM

Just FYI these pics are a little old, but please critique anyways

    10-09-2008, 10:55 PM
One more thing...since i've gotten him i've changed his bit.. youll see him here in a full cheek snaffle, he's now in a pellham thick and mild but heavy.

Also I've gotten him REAL side reigns and he no longer uses this equipment, I see he shouldnt hae been worked in it =P
    10-10-2008, 06:39 AM
Kudos, first of all, congrats on retraining a Standardbred... I'm always popping up in the SB threads on here, because I'm a huge fan of the breed, my three horses are all full Standardbreds :) They really are neat horses to work with and usually very level headed and easily retrainable!
Secondly, way to go with getting him to canter! I bet you were thrilled that he completed so much without breaking, and now that he knows he can do it, and you know too, its time to SLOW HIM DOWN! I've found with a lot of SBs they really like to speed when learning new things, especially when they don't have the balance or muscles in the right place to get it right... even in the trot your guy seems to be powering on! It's really time for you to sit back and go "Hey! Can we just slow this down a bit and balance enough so we can work on things nicely?" I used to have a mare who when cantering would turn into a complete speed demon and her canter was so flat, I had to work my butt off to lift her up more and slow it all down... and when she anticipated the canter, her trot was this half trot/canter thing and was awful haha! With this sweet guy, you really need to slow down... make half halts your friend! He took a few corners quite clumsy cos he's powering around that track, you need to get on top of them, and try and lift this fella up so he can learn to canter truely.
I really like the relaxation in the jumping video... when you come into that line of jumps right at the beginning, that trot is a hell of a lot nicer... I really think he'll make a nice wee jumper, but you need to just work on cutting back on the adrenaline junkie who loves to speed, and just use that speed to your advantage... don't bottle it all up, but control it... allow it to help you with impulse and help in all the right places to balance this fella up so you can really experience a great canter.

Keep up the awesome work, I wish my big fella was cantering under saddle now! But he's just too long and large to even rush into the canter... I'd take a fast trot, over my highly elevated SB gelding... he's pretty to watch, but hard to ride, haha!
All the best, and sorry if I've rambled on a bit, I just got really excited to see another person experiencing an awesome breakthrough with their equine friend :)

EDIT: Btw don't be incredibly fussed over your stirrup length... yes they're short... but when I'm still teaching something new, I tend to need mine a hole shorter just so I have enough balance in myself... I soon take them down when I feel comfortable!

What's the reason for his bit change? I hope you don't mind me asking... its just I think he's going rather well in the full cheek snaffle, something I was riding my gelding in before I swapped him into a Korsteel Oval Mouth bit (swear by it, he goes SO well in it)... obviously its your choice... :)

As for suppling exercises, I tend to do loads and loads of figure of eights and serpentines... it really makes them have to focus and of course balance at the changes in rein... and its a really handy tip for cantering too... ie trot the straight lines, then canter on the half circles... I used that a lot on my old mare and she became so much easier to ride at the canter :) But I generally do all those exercises at the trot!

I hope I'm of some help!
    10-10-2008, 11:22 PM
Thankyou soo much for this critique its very extensive and helpful. The cantering video shows him in the pellham and the others in the full cheek. The full cheek was hard for him to understand, it was very light weight and hard fro him to feel well, so the pellham being of heavier weight, is a lot easier for him to understand

The reason behind the very fast trot, was that I was giving him a lot of leg fo rhim to pick up the canter that he knew was coming. USually his trot is much nicer like in the jumping video. He still has to work on collecting it though.

I need to get im working better in that canter. But im not sure how to get him to really lift in his canter. I'm going to be doing some work with him on saturday on the longe in seid reigns, I hope he picks it up well on the longe

P.S. He is now jumping 3ft very well and cleanly, im so very proud of him. Ill be sure to get some videos up soooon.

I also plan to do some figure eights with him on saturday and sunday before we ever start that canter or jumping.
    10-11-2008, 12:52 AM

    10-11-2008, 12:53 AM

    10-11-2008, 05:59 AM
I could be wrong at my technique, but I've always found that by putting the leg on during the canter, to encourage the horse forward, but by also using half halts to slow the horse down, makes them collect properly and use that powerhouse that's in their back end and lift themselves up more! What I mean by putting my leg on, is by in a sense, enclosing my upper and lower leg around the belly of my horse, and not squeezing heaps but just light pressure.

I found that the thicker the bit in Evo's mouth, the harder he was to ride... I tried him in an eggbutt snaffle hollow mouth, and he really hated it... before that he was in a full cheek eggbutt snaffle, that was heavier.. and thinner than the hollow mouth... and went well in it... now he's in a JP Korsteel Oval Mouth Eggbutt Snaffle... which is a lot like a french link, but has more of an oval ball in the middle, rather than the flat plate. He really likes this bit... its got some weight in it for him still, and removed that whole nutcracker action of the full cheek. I see pelhams as a temporary bit, infact I wouldn't even use one... but that's my opinion, and if you feel happy using it, that's awesome!

I'm not sure if them new photos are from jumping training or not, but I'd suggest you lengthen your stirrups... you're cramping your leg up and that's not allowing you to use your seat effectively. You need to roll forward onto your seatbones more and sit up like you're a posh dressage rider! Make out as if you're the most important person and you're riding with status. It'll help you sit deeper and be able to work at engaging him more!
I'm not really good at critiquing, so if I am wrong in this, someone correct me, haha!
I hope what I've said somewhat helps!
    10-12-2008, 12:03 AM
I'll try working with him on that tomorrow =) I know he reeeally needs to slow down
Thanks so much =D anyone else????
IDK from the pics, but can I get any kind of body critique on him too.
I think he's got lovely conformation but id love a ...well conformation on my thoughs LOL
    10-12-2008, 07:17 AM
Do you have any photos of him NOT under saddle? Confo shots, ie standing square, side shots, front shots etc... from what I see he doesn't have any major faults, and I like his head :)

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