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        10-07-2013, 10:29 AM
    Jaydee, your theory that two point it best done with toes forward conflicts with every reference I can find, and it conflicts with my own experience.

    "you'll be less likely to end up with them pointing too far out and result in having the backs of your legs against the horse and your heels digging in its side"

    If George Morris, Harry Chamberlin & VS Littauer say you can have your toes up to 45 degrees out without that happening, and if I (as a relatively inexperienced rider) can do that without it happening, then what is your basis for that statement? My toes stick out 30-40 degrees. My heels do NOT dig into my horse's side.

    I do not ride with spurs, and I have no idea if Gigembritt plans to use them or not. But the US and European cavalries rode over rough country and did some fairly extreme riding - with spurs.

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        10-07-2013, 11:41 AM
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    Originally Posted by Gigembritt    
    I am a convert from western... I feel my trot is very good and canter when I sit.... My lower leg isn't as strong as I like.... Sometimes I have too much knee... Not enough calf.... And I am verrrrrrrry rigid... I don't have the grace I see some riders have. I am a very brave rider.... Trainer wants us riding perched at the canter so that's hard for me.... I am getting better every week!!

    What are some things I can do on my own for strength?
    The strength you need in 2Point comes mostly from your thigh so anything that's going to work those muscles will help you. I used to do a lot of cycling and if you resist sitting on the bike saddle that helps even more!! I'm sure if you Google exercises you can do in the comfort of your home you'll find lots of suggestions
    The plopping back down is likely also down to your lack of muscle
    The being rigid is maybe lack of confidence in your own balance - have you tried holding a handful of mane to support yourself?
    I find that people progress better when they start of by just tilting their body forward when they canter to start with and building up from that
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        10-07-2013, 11:48 AM
    Thank you for the great info! I am going to get started today!

    I do grab mane but its like I still feel I'm going to fall forward! So I get rigid....
        10-07-2013, 12:10 PM
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    In the UK riding school I worked at we used to do the same exercises that I did when I was little - not so easy as you get stiffer I know and you do need a solid sensible horse - but we would have the rider sit in normal leg position and lean right back so their head was lying on the horses butt and then lean right forward so you are lying along the horses back - or as close as your body will allow!! You can also improve your suppleness and balance by touching your right toe with your left hand and vice versa
    Riding on the lunge with no reins - arms outstretched or folded - and riding without stirrups - all good for balance and confidence
        10-07-2013, 01:18 PM
    Haha I will be sure to try those!!!
        10-08-2013, 12:08 PM
    If you feel as if and are falling forward...forget grabbing the mane and plant the hands on both sides of the neck for some support.
    Doing this will also teach you the "feel" of holding yourself in that position...the horse moving forward in anything faster than a walk actually gives you some impulsion to stay aloft of their back.

    "Perching" is a fad trainers now teach.
    You need to ride sitting on and around your horse, not perching stiffly above it with your fanny blowing in the breeze.(that is actually how you look, sorry)
    That is one of the reasons why you feel are "perching" above the horse not riding with that horse between your legs, butt under your torso more and relaxing your back...your back is part of your shock absorber that will absorb the jar and keep you steady and stationary... stiffen and it hurts, it is harder to ride and easier to kiss your butt goodbye on the way to the ground...

    Eyes up, heels down, relax the back, let the weight flow and sink into the heels...your ankles should also not be tense as they absorb and truly do move to help your balance...

    Me, I think you are being rushed faster & further than you are ready and comfortable doing... all are safety issues.
    Tell your trainer you need and want to go back, you want more time to strengthen and get the steps previous to 2-point solidly in place and comfortable...then and only then move on.
    If your trainer can't or won't agree with this...maybe a new trainer or approach is should not be fearful and you sound as if you are.

    Good luck...remember, this is supposed to be fun!!


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