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post #1 of 42 Old 06-06-2011, 03:02 PM Thread Starter
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Tack Critique

I know this is the horse and rider critique section but do you'all mind looking at this saddle? It's a Bates Caprilli - I think it's about 6 years old? I'm looking at buying it for Riley and I fell like it probably fits him pretty ok but can you glance at it and also see if I'm an ok fit in it? I'm looking down in the pix because I'm looking at the saddle and he's not really being pushed forward because I'm talking and discussing the saddle so don't worry about him. If you need me to get pix where I'm really pushing him out in it I can probably do that.

Also, can you tell me what you would pay for it? Or what it might be worth? Also is there a way I can look it up to see exactly how old it is? It comes w/ the bates leathers and the stirups that are on it (which are cheap ones).

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Riding pix with the saddle... I felt like my stirups were too short...
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I am by no means a saddle expert but does it looks like the saddle flaps aren't long enough for your leg? Almost like it's a bit too small for you or is this normal. Is it a close contact? I'm asking this because I'm curious too I'd like to know the answer from some of our more experienced posters.
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It's a close contact. The flaps look really forward to me like maybe it's for jumping? That's another question I had! Thanks for reminding me!!!

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It's a close contact. The flaps look really forward to me like maybe it's for jumping? That's another question I had! Thanks for reminding me!!!
Okay, yes they're supposed to be forward flaps for the jumping. But when you said your stirrups felt short I then pictured them longer I was thinking that might look weird ? But I've been stuck on this a/p wintec for a few months that doesn't have the flaps shaped like that so I'm stuck thinking my saddle is normal and anything else looks weird. Haha I'm sorry I'm just so used to my own tack I don't think I should be allowed to make a judgement on anyone elses *slowly steps out of the room* lol
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I'd say jumping saddle.

If you could get a few more pictures like the first ones (him with just the saddle on). One from the very front - Try standing infront of him, put your arms around his neck and get the very front of the saddle. Same for the back to see if it is centered and off his spine.

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the saddle looks like it fits your horse pretty well (in my totally novice opinion) however it doesn't look like the flaps are right for you.

I've seen these models go for anywhere between $450-900 so it all depends. Does it have the CAIR panels or flocked panels? That seems to make a difference in price as well.
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It does have the cair package. I'm wondering if it is too forward for HUS as well...?

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I used to work for a certified saddle fitter and I can honestly say I don't like how the saddle fits the horse, how it fits you ESPECIALLY and I generally don't like bates to begin with haha.

On your horse, it sits weird..idk but it just looks off. If the saddle is sitting on your horse without a pad, can you easily run your hand under the saddle and over his shoulder without any pressure? If you can the saddle fits well there but seems to be too wide at the withers. If you can't, the saddle is too narrow and you need to look for a wider model. To me, the saddle looks a tad wide, but a few bumper pads would fix that.

For you, the saddle is completely wrong. I can't imagine you attaining a proper position in that...thing haha. The flaps are way to short even though your stirrups are at the right length for jumping (this is a jumping saddle by the way). The seat is also too small because you have a longer femur and therefore you must get a larger seat to accommodate for your leg. This saddle is absolutely fine for HUS but NOT FINE for you. Just based on how you fit the saddle, you NEED to pass this one up.

Plus, I really don't like bates. It's a cheaply made saddle (I'm pretty biased cause I got to work with the best made saddles in the world) and the whole CAIR system is complete bs. The reason that the best saddles are flocked with wool is because wool molds to the horse aka it breaks in! The CAIR system does not. It's like when you buy a pair of new riding boots, you want to break them in asap cause they hurt like crazy! If your boots NEVER broke in, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be a happy camper. Same with wool flocking and the CAIR system, CAIR never breaks in.

In regards to getting an A/P or CC, do you do a lot of jumping or mostly flatting? CC saddles are mostly used for jumping, but do just fine while on the flat. I love my CC and do excellent when doing HUS. Just my opinion tho! Gorgeous horse btw. :)
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Ugh! (thanks for the compliment on Ri by the way). I haven't even started jumping him and may not. He's only just now turned 5 so to answer your question, I do mostly flat. That saddle has the wide gullet in it. The medium wide was too narrow for his shoulders.

Do you suggest anything (brand wise) in particular?

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